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[ddeubel]

Many more Republican senators basically saying Bush has failed even in Iraq. If Voinovich says, "let's go home NOW" You can be sure it will happen and that it is just a matter of time.....

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8Q0LK302&show_article=1&cat=0

[The_Conservative]

[twg]

Well, there you go. Proof that everything is going well in Iraq and everyone thinks it was a brilliant idea.

[dmbfan]

Did anyone watch the interview on Larry King Live with Collin Powell, last night?

[HyperPatriot]

No, whatd he say.


By the way, the last time i heard Colin Powel speak, i was shocked. He sounded like a man with no dignity. I heard him trying to defend himself over and over, and it seemed almost like he wasn't having problems with how others saw him -- but with how he saw himself.

It was pretty damn depressing and i felt the man must be a low point in his life and walked away with quite a bit of "why'd i DO that?!?!" going on in his mind that never really will get resolved.


I dont really understand what the big deal is -- the War on Iraq could have been sold simply as a mission to END the decade of bombing on Iraq since saddam kept building missiles and firing at our jets and stuff, END the sanctions that were starving and hurting innocent people, and END the history of saddam hussein, which included the attempted genocide of the Marsh Arabs, as well as a future where it looked like the completely disturbed Uday Hussein would be taking over his father's place. All of which is completely unacceptable. And that they MIGHT -- MIGHT, MIGHT MIGHT! -- be thinking about wmds at the same time -- indicated by constantly harrassing investigators -- who were only there since Saddam had invaded another country in the first place..... and whose presence was the compromise for not having a TOTAL WAR waged against Hussein back during the Gulf conflict.......


It seems like it would have been an easy sell.

"Things gotta change." Period.



What the hell was up with Donny Rumsfeld lying every other day and pretending to be President every time the cameras were on him. And why the hell did Powell let himself fall after everything right he had done over his career.


I also dont see why Bush was in such a rush to push the start date. It made no sense whatsoever. Waiting another month would have given so much more legitimacy to the war, whether or not a compromise with France and Germany -- who were only engaged in trying to hijack EU politics anyway -- were on board.

The Franco-German alliance for EU control was on shakey grounds and the U.S. had plenty of goodwill and support on a purely HUMANITARIAN basis, and being in a hurry lost the U.S. so much.


Gitmo Bay and the Iraqi prison scandal and all the garbage that went along with Halliburton and the complete failure of leadership from Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld and Bush's complete novice understanding of just about everything international lost us the rest.



I seriously have no idea why Bush even insisted on Re-building Iraq.

He should have left after "Mission Accomplished" and played the card to an international community that the war was over, so now its time for the world to come together and pick a future for the region.


Instead he micro-managed the damn thing after FIRING all the people who knew anything about how Iraq could be run -- namely the established bureaucracy, and banned them from participation.

Add to that firing all the military and police -- who had surrendered pleasantly enough, by the way, and were no threat -- without giving them so much as a meal ticket, and somehow managing to leave them with all their artillary and weapons....... smooth move there.


With no idea what the shape of their individual regions would look like, all the religions and sects got paranoid and in-fighted.


Meanwhile, people were arguing like mad for a Federalized Republic of Iraq, instead of a single state democracy. Pretty ridiculous to bring people into the government, who had no place there, and equally ridiculous to set no boundries, where years of leadership under saddam hussein showed that boundries were necessary in a completely tribal part of the world.


Idiot Bush is still so deluded as to think that Iraqis are anything like the Japanese -- which is pretty damn laughable -- especially since the Japanese were loyal to 1 emperor and saw themselves as a single people, and Iraqis are tribal and religious factions that hate each other, and who were only forced to live with each other because of European Imperialism after the fall of the Ottoman Empire.


Dividing the country up into STATES with hard borders and mandated shared oil revenue would have been a no brainer -- especially given that the Kurds are still to this day screaming their lungs out about it.


This isn't America's mess -- i swear to god that Bush and Blair were two huge power-crazed morons when it came to this one.


Their idea to transform the middle east similar to Germany and Japan has not even a shred of reality in it. And doesn't take a genius to figure it out.


The fact that bullies like Don Rumsfeld were made King of Iraq practically and moderates like Colin Powell failed to keep their backbone and thereby allowed themselves to be out-ed, proves how this is BUSH's war.



There are so many ways it could have gone better.

For starters -- if the rest of the Civilized World, especially Europe had even had a shred of decency to help in the re-building after the declaration of "mission accomplished" -- tens of thousands of iraqis wouldn't be suffering.

But Europe failed.

The West failed.

And most of all Bush and Blair failed -- miserably.



And good grief, its a tough job, but they could have at least failed with GOOD EFFORT. They just -- sucked. And the things that happened under their watch are unforgivable.


That the Republicans defended Bush as long as they have is practically criminal and almost traitorous to their own party!

They should have had him fired a long time ago, except, good god, Dick Cheney in office is an even scarier thought. He's his own branch of government, apparently, you know -- the man needs to be put in jail.


[HyperPatriot]