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JoelCosmeJr



Joined: 01 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:56 pm    Post subject: 3 latenesses and you're fired Reply with quote

Recently, I had the unfortunate event of arriving 20 minutes late to work due to heavy traffic and rain. I explained the situation to the co-director and my friend who was the driver apologized to the co-director and mothers. Though I know being late for work is something that should be avoided, this has only occured once before in the past 11 months due to the fact that I had to pick up my son during my dinner break and take him to the clinic, making me 30 minutes late for a class back in september, which i ended up teaching for 30 minutes extra in order to amend the issue. Yesterday, the director set up a new rule. If teachers are late once for working time, it is a verbal warning, twice, a written notice, and the third time the teacher will be fired (less some acceptable reason is provided). Now, those who are familiar with my many past posts will be aware that the issues at my school are growing daily, but to bring up my point. Is the director allowed to simply make this statement and it be allowed despite not being in the contract? Does he need to indicate this in the contract about 3 latenessess you're fired, or is this one of those things like the webcams in classes which we have no say in. (just one more month, just one more month ^.^)

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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have fired people for being late and will do again.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:38 am    Post subject: Re: 3 latenesses and you're fired Reply with quote

JoelCosmeJr wrote:
Recently, I had the unfortunate event of arriving 20 minutes late to work due to heavy traffic and rain. I explained the situation to the co-director and my friend who was the driver apologized to the co-director and mothers. Though I know being late for work is something that should be avoided, this has only occured once before in the past 11 months due to the fact that I had to pick up my son during my dinner break and take him to the clinic, making me 30 minutes late for a class back in september, which i ended up teaching for 30 minutes extra in order to amend the issue. Yesterday, the director set up a new rule. If teachers are late once for working time, it is a verbal warning, twice, a written notice, and the third time the teacher will be fired (less some acceptable reason is provided). Now, those who are familiar with my many past posts will be aware that the issues at my school are growing daily, but to bring up my point. Is the director allowed to simply make this statement and it be allowed despite not being in the contract? Does he need to indicate this in the contract about 3 latenessess you're fired, or is this one of those things like the webcams in classes which we have no say in. (just one more month, just one more month ^.^)


new rule... 1 month to go... don't be late 3 times this month. If you are he does have a leg to stand on and you can be terminated. The employer is allowed to make that kind of policy change BUT he cannot use past instances retroactively.

If you are not late 3 times this month he does NOT have a leg to stand on and you will win at the labor board against his 11th month termination.
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kigolo1881



Joined: 30 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI: being late to work/school = 'tardy', not latenesses

EX: 3 tardies and you're fired.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:01 am    Post subject: Re: 3 latenesses and you're fired Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
The employer is allowed to make that kind of policy change

Not verbally. Sure, he can amend the contract, but such amendments do not take effect until you sign it. No signature, no new policy. He can't just change things as he sees fit and expect them to be legal and upheld by labor/courts.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That type of amendment is fully within the rights of any employer. It is afterall the duty of the employee to be on time.
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asking someone to be on time is not an amendment to a contract.
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lowpo



Joined: 01 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
Asking someone to be on time is not an amendment to a contract.


I have fired a lot of people for being late 3 or 4 times.
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hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no excuse for being late for work....short of something not controlable.
Back home I am sure the employer would also not tolerate it and in most cases, writeups, warnings, are given before being terminated.
It is the responsibility of the employee to be on time. If that means leaving home two hours earlier...so be it.
While I do not care for korean hakwon owners.....be on time.....and, that type of rule does not need to be an amendment to a contract.
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Tony_Balony



Joined: 12 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have a bad job. Quit asap.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fired for being lat 3 times in a span of a whole year is pretty out there.

You were late last September. That's quite a while ago. Your boss getting all upset over it is pretty anal. And I would tell him that if it were me. Making the new rule isn't all that bad of an idea, but like someone said, if you're late one more time before the end of your contract, that shouldn't be reason for firing you. Make that clear to him.

New rule = fresh start. Either way, if he's looking for an out, I think it's just a wee bit late in the game for that.

I think though that that rule should be implemented for a 6-month span. Not a year.
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CasperTheFriendlyGhost



Joined: 28 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been late once (about 4 minutes) in 19 months. Just don't be late and it won't be a problem. If you do get fired, get another job.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Students who are late get reduced grades or fail so why shouldn't a teacher be fired.

I've never been late for work or school in my entire life.
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skconqueror



Joined: 31 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya, I am not sure why people are saying this is a bad hogwon cause he is saying 3 lates and your fired. I think it is well within his rights. Heck, I would do the same.
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khyber



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems pretty reasonable to not be late. Frankly, I'd say that coming into a teaching job less than 30 minutes early would be coming in late. If you are late for a class, well that speaks of some kind of ineptitude. No offense OP but being on time for a job which pays you is pretty reasonable.
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