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Upcoming SBS Doco on ESL Education in the ROK
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King Baeksu



Joined: 22 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Upcoming SBS Doco on ESL Education in the ROK Reply with quote

I was interviewed last week for a documentary examining the "English-language frenzy" here in South Korea. It will appear on Sat. the 23rd at 11pm on the long-running SBS show, "그것이 알고 싶다" ("I Want to Know That"). Here's a link:

http://wizard2.sbs.co.kr/resource/template/contents/07_review_detail.jsp?vProgId=1000082&vVodId=V0000010101&vMenuId=1001376&rpage=4&cpage=1&vVodCnt1=00433&vVodCnt2=00&vUrl=/vobos/wizard2/resource/template/contents/07_review_list.jsp

Interestingly, the producers said I was the only foreigner they were interviewing for the program, which shows how apparently insignificant we all are in the overall scheme of things here.

I told them 60-70% of South Koreans didn't even need to learn English because they don't have any foreign friends and hardly ever use it at work, and should at least have a choice to study other languages, especially Chinese.

I also said there were too many "low-grade" foreigners in the hagwon industry here, and that if the hagwon industry here was willing to pay more, they'd attract a better pool of applicants.

Saturday night broadcast time means only geeks and losers will be watching it! Brilliant!
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

60-70% don't even need English?


Have you ever traveled abroad? English is the international language.

I think that was a bit of an ignorant statement on your part.
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:
60-70% don't even need English?


Have you ever traveled abroad? English is the international language.

I think that was a bit of an ignorant statement on your part.


The question is have THEY ever traveled abroad and will they? Over 60% of Americans and Canadians don't have passports.
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in_seoul_2003



Joined: 24 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:
60-70% don't even need English?


Have you ever traveled abroad? English is the international language.

I think that was a bit of an ignorant statement on your part.


Not really. Of the Koreans who will travel abroad (and not all will), so many show a very strong habit of consuming everything familarly Korean in the foreign setting. Realistically, so many don't need english.

It seems to me that most Koreans NEED english not so much because of anything international but because of their own domestic "frenzies".
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was in China last month I was hanging out with a girl from France and a dude from Poland.

The only way the three of us could communicate was through English.

You go to ant international airport, train station, ferry terminal, ect.... and you will most likely see only two languages on the signs. One being the local language and the other being English.


Plus I currently make a living off the ESL field so of course I'm biased. Wink
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
endo wrote:
60-70% don't even need English?


Have you ever traveled abroad? English is the international language.

I think that was a bit of an ignorant statement on your part.


The question is have THEY ever traveled abroad and will they? Over 60% of Americans and Canadians don't have passports.


Americans could (stupid new rules) could travel to Mexcio and a number of Islands in the Caribbean without a passport. The rules changed and now there is a huge backlog of people appliying for....you guessed it....passports. Americans travel but are usually too damn broke to go sprinting off to Europe or Asia....
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in_seoul_2003



Joined: 24 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's cool that a Frenchwoman, you and a Pole would be hanging out in China. But there was no Korean now was there?

And from all the travel stories from Korean adults who have traveled abroad internationally (even though well versed in english), I've never heard any story except Koreans meeting up with other Koreans. I don't think I ever will hear a story about a Korean, Japanese, and Chinese hooking up in Thailand and hanging out and shooting the shit with their common english.
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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the King is dead on here. In fact I've been telling this to my students for years. Learn Chinese first thats where all your factories are going to, thats your #1 trading partner. Yeah if you are in univ learn 2 langauges especially if you are going into int business.

In reality how many of these kids are REALLY going to need to learn English? For some once every few years package tour to SEA where they will be with a group of fellow Koreans and never interact with the locals and never speak English?

I say let 2/3rds of the kids in the English hogwons out of this, let them be kids and play etc. It will make them a better people over the long run
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Pyongshin Sangja



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"low-grade"


Didn't you use to be homeless?

Thanks for encouraging a stereotype.

What makes you so "high-grade?"


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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Upcoming SBS Doco on ESL Education in the ROK Reply with quote

King Baeksu wrote:

I told them 60-70% of South Koreans didn't even need to learn English because they don't have any foreign friends and hardly ever use it at work, and should at least have a choice to study other languages, especially Chinese.

I also said there were too many "low-grade" foreigners in the hagwon industry here, and that if the hagwon industry here was willing to pay more, they'd attract a better pool of applicants.


What makes you qualified to make commetns like these? You pulled this out of your ass. The documentary makers in turn is going to twist it and pull something even larger out of their own asses.
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