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EFLtrainer
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 Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: The Plan to Disappear Canada? |
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The Plan to Disappear Canada
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'Deep integration' comes out of shadows.
By Murray Dobbin
Published: June 8, 2007
If the machinations going on in this country regarding so-called "deep integration" were instead a communist conspiracy to take over the country (you will, of course, have to try hard to imagine this) the news media would be blaring the story.
Pundits would pontificate, editorialists would erupt, security forces would be unleashed.
Instead, a virtual conspiracy to make the country disappear through assimilation into the U.S. gets barely a mention.
But news of the scheme -- formally called the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) -- is finally breaking out of the secret chambers of the ruling elite and the federal government...
Ten dots to connect
Here are 10 developments in the plan to disappear Canada.
1) Pesticides 'harmonized.' ...Canada was about to "harmonize" its regulations, setting limits for pesticide residue on fruits and vegetables. In 40 per cent of the cases, the U.S. allows for higher levels...
Some 300 regulatory regimes are currently going through the same process.
2) Tory tirade. The next story that broke through the wall of media silence... hearings of the Commons International Trade Committee into the SPP, forced by the NDP.
Gordon Laxer, head of Alberta's Parkland Institute, was testifying on the energy implications of the SPP, warning that eastern Canada could end up "freezing in the dark." He had barely started when the chair of the committee, Conservative MP Leon Benoit, demanded that Laxer halt his "irrelevant" testimony. The Committee members overruled Benoit -- who promptly (and illegally) adjourned the meeting and stomped out. The NDP and Liberal members nonetheless continued without him.
3) Council of corporate power. The SPP initiative began in earnest back in 2002 with the Canadian Council of Chief Executives (formerly the BCNI), the most powerful corporate body in the country. It continues it leadership role, but does not promote the scheme just in its own name. It instead has helped create several supportive bodies that now help drive the agenda. Included in these are the North American Competitive Council (NACC), which includes CEOs of the largest North American corporations, and which institutionalizes the exclusively corporate nature of the agreement. The NACC is the only advisory group to the three NAFTA/SPP governments.
4) Secretive summit. The NACC at least is public... sponsored by something called the North American Forum* and it was attended by some of the most powerful members of the North American ruling elite.
Attendees, according to a leaked list that could not be confirmed, included Donald Rumsfeld, George Schultz (former U.S. Secretary of State), General Rick Hillier, Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor and Minister of Public Safety Stockwell Day. The media was not informed of the meeting and it was first revealed by the weekly Banff Crag & Canyon.
Stockwell Day refused to even confirm he was there, but said that even if he was, it was a "private" meeting... these meetings, and the SPP itself, constitute a parallel governing structure -- unaccountable to any democratic institution or the public.
5) 'No fly' coordination. Canada will have its own "no-fly" list just like our U.S. "partner."...
6) Bye, bye Canadian dollar? David Dodge, the head of the Bank of Canada, told a Chicago audience that a single currency for North America "is possible."...
7) Water and oil giveaways. ...Discussion of bulk "water transfers" and diversions took place at a Calgary meeting of the North American Future 2025 Project (partly funded by the U.S. government). The meeting based its deliberations on the false notion that Canada has 20 per cent of the world's fresh water. Actual available supply amounts to only around six per cent -- about the same as has the U.S.
The water (and environment) meeting was preceded by another on April 26th talking about "North American" energy...
Canada exports 63 per cent of its oil production and 56 per cent of its natural gas, percentages that can never decrease under NAFTA.
 NAFTA Superhighway. State governments in the U.S. are becoming increasingly alarmed... Idaho became the first state to pass a legislative resolution directing the U.S. Congress to drop out of the SPP, which is referred to as the North American Union amongst U.S. opponents. Thirteen states in addition to Idaho are calling on Congress to abandon the SPP: Georgia, Arizona, Missouri, Illinois, Oregon, Montana, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Utah, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington and Virginia.
Part of the opposition is focused on plans for a so-called NAFTA Superhighway: actually a corridor several hundred metres wide including rail lines, freeways and pipelines from Mexico to the Canadian border.
9) Trade, Investment and Labour Mobility Agreement (TILMA). While U.S. states, concerned about state rights under an unaccountable "North American Union," are organizing against the scheme, Canadian provinces are either blithely unaware or knowingly complicit in the deal...
10) The next SPP summit. The third leaders summit on the SPP will take place this August 21-22nd in Montebello, Quebec, not far from Ottawa. By the time it does many more Canadian will be aware of it.
...It is hard to think of any other issue in modern Canadian history, especially one that will literally determine whether the country survives or not, that has taken so long to get public attention. I first wrote about it September, 2002.
By the time the SPP summit has come and gone and the fall political season begins, deep integration, the most treacherous plan for the country yet devised by Bay Street, will be increasingly exposed.
And by the next election, we could see a repeat of the great "free trade" election of 1988. This time we have to win. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| More integration of our economies and policies? I don't see the problem. Free trade brought great economic prosperity to Canada. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| More integration of our economies and policies? I don't see the problem. Free trade brought great economic prosperity to Canada. |
Simple is as simple does. Read, son, read. Answer this question: When did you vote for the people implementing this?
Hint: You didn't.
Question: when was this debated hotly in your legislature and approved by your legislature?
Hint: It wasn't. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Another conspiracy nut |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Pretty stupid, Jinju, to call facts "conspiracy." This is FACT, son. The only question is whether you accept it or not. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, the fear mongering elves have yet to run to their mountain hide-outs to wait out the coming ice age.
But, to stifle Canada's ability to compete in a global market, they speak. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Pretty stupid, Jinju, to call facts "conspiracy." This is FACT, son. The only question is whether you accept it or not. |
Like IGTG you are showing to be a schizoparanoid personality.....I love how you nuts take and twist things to come up with your insane theories. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| More integration of our economies and policies? I don't see the problem. Free trade brought great economic prosperity to Canada. |
Simple is as simple does. Read, son, read.
Question: when was this debated hotly in your legislature and approved by your legislature?
Hint: It wasn't. |
The piece you posted is hardly a factual, objective report. It's a partisan, opinion piece. When you cut through his nationalist fear mongering, I see nothing in his text that's not simply high level government talks on what should be. The legislature doesn't have a role in it any more than congress had a role in the FTA negotiations with Korea. If and when there is an agreement on the table, or close to, should the legislature get involved.
For example:
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| 6) Bye, bye Canadian dollar? David Dodge, the head of the Bank of Canada, told a Chicago audience that a single currency for North America "is possible."... |
Is possible. OH MY GOD RUN FOR THE HILLS. Any link to his full text? No. Two words. Golly. The guy is quote mining. Theoretically, why not? Europe has the Euro. Why not a North American currency? It's worth exploring, as Korea/Japan/China are exploring an Asian currency.
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| When did you vote for the people implementing this? |
It is also possible certain Canadian government bodies have the power to implement regulatory changes without a vote in parliament (ie point 1). So what? That is the nature of the parliamentary system. Canadians delegate a lot of power to the PMO and cabinet. We don't insist on votes on everything. I think you fail to grasp the nature of the Canadian political system and the attitudes of Canadians to government exercising power. For the most part, we elect absolute monarchies to five year terms. The end.
So beyond your sudden worry for Canadian sovereignty and what you believe is a lack of democracy in Canada, where is the real problem you're having with any of this? Are any of those points bad in of themselves. If so, why?
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The_Conservative
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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EFL: google, son, google. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds like an excellent plan to me. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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All the wingnuts, well, most, present and accounted for. How predictable. Not one of you addressed the issues directly. Pretty much all of you are reacting solely to the piece posted.
I have read a great deal on this subject. I am not yet decided on whether it is a good thing or not. I am, in some points, a bit of a globalist, so am not inherently opposed to such ideas in general. Thus, you can all stuff your asinine remarks up your collective arses.
1. This is not a trade treaty. These changes are being done behind closed doors and susposedly within the administrative powers of various agencies. IT IS NOT A TREATY AND THUS NOT SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE APPROVAL. Glad to see you all read so thoroughly. 
2. The SPP has existed for YEARS, but only came to general public awareness last year.
3. Consider that it has been very, very quietly done behind closed doors. Why?
4. Consider it is being advised by leaders from among the largest corporations with ZERO grassroots input.
5. Consider imminent domain is being used to confiscate properties. This is happening, not will, not maybe.
Etc.
I think it warrants a closer look, not childish jabs.
Any intelligent ovbservations or info would be wecomed.
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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All the wingnuts, well, most, present and accounted for. How predictable. Not one of you addressed the issues directly. Pretty much all of you are reacting solely to the piece posted.
I have read a great deal on this subject. I am not yet decided on whether it is a good thing or not. I am, in some points, a bit of a globalist, so am not inherently opposed to such ideas in general. Thus, you can all stuff your asinine remarks up your collective arses.
1. This is not a trade program. These changes are being done behind closed doors and ussposedly within the administrative powers of various agencies. IT IS NOT A TREATY AND THUS NOT SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE APPROVAL. Glad to see you all read so thoroughly.
2. The SPP has existed for YEARS, but only came to general public awareness last year.
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So what are adopting the Kerry stance on your OP.
"I was for it before I was against it."
or:
"What I said wasn't what I meant." |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
All the wingnuts, well, most, present and accounted for. How predictable. Not one of you addressed the issues directly. Pretty much all of you are reacting solely to the piece posted.
I have read a great deal on this subject. I am not yet decided on whether it is a good thing or not. I am, in some points, a bit of a globalist, so am not inherently opposed to such ideas in general. Thus, you can all stuff your asinine remarks up your collective arses.
1. This is not a trade program. These changes are being done behind closed doors and ussposedly within the administrative powers of various agencies. IT IS NOT A TREATY AND THUS NOT SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE APPROVAL. Glad to see you all read so thoroughly.
2. The SPP has existed for YEARS, but only came to general public awareness last year.
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So, what? Are you adopting the Kerry stance in your OP?
"I was for it before I was against it."
or:
"What I said wasn't what I meant." |
Hey, dumbass, show me where I posted ANY opinion in the OP. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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When we decided we needed oil, we went to Iraq and did what we had to do.
When we decide we need water and wood, watch out. |
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