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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:33 am    Post subject: Korean girl/Korean cultural question Reply with quote

I have a date this weekend. Yuppers.

Kind of a friend-of-a-Korean-friend, she lives in Suwon. Its a pseudo blind-date, I wasn't really too keen on dating right away here but after I got talking to her she seemed alright and I stopped being opposed to the idea.

Heres my question. I had a student in my high school, one-on-one class ask me what my religion was. This kid's English is near perfect so after we go over material we usually just sit around and talk for ten minutes or so. I told him that I didn't have a religion, and tried to downplay the fact that I was an atheist by saying that I found religions interesting from an objective point of view (this is pretty true: though Christians really piss me off sometimes). He was receptive about it and saw where I was coming from, though I think that he hasn't met many people like me.

After an hour of talking to this girl on MSN, she asked me the same question (her English is great, by the way). I told her the same thing as I told him, but her response was kind of condescending. She said that she really liked me so far, and if anything were to happen (we got serious) she genuinely thought her choice in religion would become logical to me and I'd follow suit.

Culturally, what do Koreans think of atheism, and would it be wise to get involved with someone who has this kind of attitude towards it ("oh, its cute but someday you'll realize that my god is for real")?

PS. Yeah this is my second post, I'm just pensive tonight.


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wo buxihuan hanguoren



Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just lie. She is only a female, after all, and you know us atheists, we lack morals, so lying should present no problem.
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chasmmi



Joined: 16 Jun 2007
Location: Ulsan

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a similar thing with my ex, she said that she believed people should go to church etc as it is the right thing to do.

Basically I decided to yield and go to her church services with her. After the second Sunday and the second successive time of falling asleep she decided that she would do the church thing at church and I could do the sleep thing at home. It didn't become a problem.

I would say, just try and give it a go and appear open to trying it and hope she understands when the 99% certaintly it isn't your thing becomes apparent.

She may well apreciate a lot the fact you tried just for her.
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote:
Just lie. She is only a female, after all, and you know us atheists, we lack morals, so lying should present no problem.


That's pretty exclusive!
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Masta_Don



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Clash of fundamental beliefs
-Condescending/Pushy
-Already talking about the future
-No sex (probably)

Can't you cancel?
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Masta_Don wrote:
-Clash of fundamental beliefs
-Condescending/Pushy
-Already talking about the future
-No sex (probably)

Can't you cancel?


No, I think I'll go on the date. If I don't feel good about it I'll make up an excuse, tell her I had a good time but I'm not interested and ask her if she wants to be friends/pen pals/casual acquaintances/complete strangers.
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HighTreason



Joined: 15 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: Korean girl/Korean cultural question Reply with quote

IncognitoHFX wrote:

After an hour of talking to this girl on MSN, she asked me the same question (her English is great, by the way). I told her the same thing as I told him, but her response was kind of condescending. She said that she really liked me so far, and if anything were to happen (we got serious) she genuinely thought her choice in religion would become logical to me and I'd follow suit.


I can't say how Koreans feel as I am still a month and a half or so from going, but I think you can pretty clearly see how she feels about atheism. However, I only have three things to say.

1. Anyone who asks you what your religion is upon your first meeting is not just religious, but very religious. It is possible for atheists to date, become serious with, and even marry religious people... but very religious people are another matter entirely.

2. People who are so willing to dismiss your beliefs without even engaging you in a debate to determine your reasoning do not respect you intellectually. It has nothing to do with you... you just met her... so she is obviously the type of person who regularly dismisses any belief she does not hold as being false. If you value intelligence, this is another negative.

3. You should go on the date anyway. It would be an interesting experience getting a taste of the dating culture in another country whether it has any chance of going any further than that or not. It might be horrible, but I can't imagine it won't be interesting.
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Doogie



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Hwaseong City

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Treason is right. If she's asking about religion before your first date, then she's hinting that she will only be with a Christian in the long run. Anyway, at least give her some credit for giving you a heads-up on it. What the heck, go on the date. You could always just be friends. Remember the cardinal rule......."Hot girls have hot friends". It's all about the connections.....especially in Korea.
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IncognitoHFX wrote:
Masta_Don wrote:
-Clash of fundamental beliefs
-Condescending/Pushy
-Already talking about the future
-No sex (probably)

Can't you cancel?


No, I think I'll go on the date. If I don't feel good about it I'll make up an excuse, tell her I had a good time but I'm not interested and ask her if she wants to be friends/pen pals/casual acquaintances/complete strangers.


Are you not the poster who wore the hat? Are you going to wear the hat to the date? If it's going badly put on the hat and she will get the message.

Be careful though. One date and it could be weeks of stalking, phone calls in the middle of the night. Find out if she is Catholic and if she believes in condoms.
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Korean girl/Korean cultural question Reply with quote

HighTreason wrote:
IncognitoHFX wrote:

After an hour of talking to this girl on MSN, she asked me the same question (her English is great, by the way). I told her the same thing as I told him, but her response was kind of condescending. She said that she really liked me so far, and if anything were to happen (we got serious) she genuinely thought her choice in religion would become logical to me and I'd follow suit.


I can't say how Koreans feel as I am still a month and a half or so from going, but I think you can pretty clearly see how she feels about atheism. However, I only have three things to say.

1. Anyone who asks you what your religion is upon your first meeting is not just religious, but very religious. It is possible for atheists to date, become serious with, and even marry religious people... but very religious people are another matter entirely.

2. People who are so willing to dismiss your beliefs without even engaging you in a debate to determine your reasoning do not respect you intellectually. It has nothing to do with you... you just met her... so she is obviously the type of person who regularly dismisses any belief she does not hold as being false. If you value intelligence, this is another negative.

3. You should go on the date anyway. It would be an interesting experience getting a taste of the dating culture in another country whether it has any chance of going any further than that or not. It might be horrible, but I can't imagine it won't be interesting.


wow, couldn't have said it better. Anyway, the OP really needs to update us.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went through the exact same thing...with a girl in Suwon. She told me actually she wasn't a Christian but she went to church every week and wanted to be. I think she was having a hard time swallowing the whole theological side, but she thought Christians were better people than non-Christians. It ended when she told me "I would only marry a man who is a good man, and a Christian." Yeah, good luck. (Then immediately after I randomly met a girl who mentioned she was atheist, and it was like a sign from God.)

My advice to you is don't waste your time with this girl.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last year while at a dinner meeting, some teachers told me one of the teachers was single and looking for a man. The single teacher at my school asked me first my religion. It wasn't her same religion and she said she only wanted a man exclusively in her religion. I wanted to start talking about the ability for people to love despite religious differences, but I understood that this woman was closed-minded and not worth my time.
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dogshed



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Masta_Don wrote:
-Clash of fundamental beliefs
-Condescending/Pushy
-Already talking about the future
-No sex (probably)

Can't you cancel?


After church sex.
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Masta_Don wrote:
-Clash of fundamental beliefs
-Condescending/Pushy
-Already talking about the future
-No sex (probably)

Can't you cancel?


I no longer see the whole Christian thing as a red light. Amber maybe but definatly not red. Yes even sqeaky clean Christian girls will get down and dirty if the mood is right.
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I doubt you'll get serious with this girl.

I dont think Koreans are different than anyone else in this respect... How would you handle it if an american woman said these things?

However,... you should go on the date... i know a certain someone who had thier first sexual experience in a church... being religious doesnt rule out having human desires.
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