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Crowzone
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Demophobe
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Found it...
5-5-5-15 (from that page comments..."디지웍스...파이팅..." Ho, ho!)
 Yep...slower than a turtle in molasses...hope it was really, really cheap. The packaging certainly screams so... |
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Crowzone
Joined: 31 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Hrm.. thats not the exact stuff I got.
But it has the voltages 1.8-2.0 which is what I needed.
The stuff i got was the next level up.. has a fancy heat spreader and is doing 4-4-4-12 right now... Mostly I wanted to know the voltage it was rated for if I need to jack it up any..
I paid 87,000 for the 2 pack of it.. So I'd say it was a pretty sweet deal for 2GB of 4-4-4-12 ram...
We'll see how long it lasts though  |
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Demophobe
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| Crowzone wrote: |
Hrm.. thats not the exact stuff I got.
But it has the voltages 1.8-2.0 which is what I needed.
The stuff i got was the next level up.. has a fancy heat spreader and is doing 4-4-4-12 right now... Mostly I wanted to know the voltage it was rated for if I need to jack it up any..
I paid 87,000 for the 2 pack of it.. So I'd say it was a pretty sweet deal for 2GB of 4-4-4-12 ram...
We'll see how long it lasts though |
4-4-4-12 is slow...the turtle only up to his knees now. Heck, even Samsung is CL3 @ 50,000 per GB. A good deal.
See how long it runs memtest. Forgive my skepticism...cheap RAM is always a disaster. |
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hanguker
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:44 am Post subject: |
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 Like your going to see any real world difference in your apps/games using 50K RAM with high timings and ridiculous 200K RAM with low timings. It's all marketing. I have those Digiworks memory modules and on Sysoft sandra they are only a smidgen slower than the expensive ones. You're only going to see a few seconds difference here and there.
The guys from Tom's Hardware, put it well:
"we still recommend buying brand-name products to ensure compatibility (especially for dual-channel systems), but you don't necessarily need the fastest timings."
Full link discussing the minor differences timing has on modern RAM (a little dated, but I think still relevant):
http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/01/19/ups_and_downs/page13.html
PC-6400 DDR800 turtles...indeed. Spend the extra money on a nice graphics card.  |
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Demophobe
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:01 am Post subject: |
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Like your going to see any real world difference in your apps/games using 50K RAM with high timings and ridiculous 200K RAM with low timings. It's all marketing. I have those Digiworks memory modules and on Sysoft sandra they are only a smidgen slower than the expensive ones. You're only going to see a few seconds difference here and there.
The guys from Tom's Hardware, put it well:
"we still recommend buying brand-name products to ensure compatibility (especially for dual-channel systems), but you don't necessarily need the fastest timings."
Full link discussing the minor differences timing has on modern RAM (a little dated, but I think still relevant):
http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/01/19/ups_and_downs/page13.html
PC-6400 DDR800 turtles...indeed. Spend the extra money on a nice graphics card. |
Some people care, some don't. Cheap RAM can bring on many problems, but hey...you got it sussed. Post some screenies from your Sandra results. Run memtest as well.
For a non-overclocked system, amybe, but I have seen so many problems due to faulty RAM modules. Quality sticks are bin sorted...gives a bit more confidence.
I would never use Digiworks RAM. Nor would anyone who wants quality. |
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hanguker
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:14 am Post subject: |
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My point doesn't have to do with the quality of the RAM, but with your purported "slowness" of the high timings. The difference is negligible with modern RAM.
Agreed, cheap RAM can probably suck, but Digiworks looks like a legit Korean company (7 years in the business). Also, they provide a lifetime warranty like the bigger brands. I haven't had any problems with their memory, and if I did they would probably give me some new ones.  |
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Crowzone
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:44 am Post subject: |
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Yeah it has a lifetime warranty and I've done a couple overnights of memtest, orthos and tat with no errors so far at these timings.
I will still see what more I can push from it but yeah, I'm not upset with the purchase, just wanted to know what voltage it was spec'ed for. |
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Demophobe
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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You guys post like I'm making this stuff up.
There is a reason RAM timings are different. If you don't care about the small time savings or aren't doing work that is big enough or important enough to require RAM that is fast and completely reliable, fair enough, but don't start yapping about them being them same.
For the common user, they may well appear the same, but make no mistake; people who need unfailing reliability don't use cheap RAM. And please remind yourself that not every RAM error is a stop. There are a host of things that can go wrong directly related to crap-ola RAM.
Tom's hardware is a paid-to-say-this rag. |
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hanguker
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Question:
Who ARE these people you are talking about who need this "super-reliability" that can't be noticed by a casual user? Certainly not us teachers playing computer games and surfing the internet in our free time?
Question:
Who is Tom's Hardware being paid by, the cheap memory manufacturers??? I don't think they have that in their budget. LOL.
But I digress...I'm the resident cheap-a$$ around here. I swear by cheaper, well-researched components, over the over-priced marketing moguls. I rarely have problems. Or they rarely appear to me, anyways. Maybe the errors are hidden deep in the c[o]ckles of my system and will only be apparent to me in my final hours. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| hanguker wrote: |
Question:
Who ARE these people you are talking about who need this "super-reliability" that can't be noticed by a casual user? Certainly not us teachers playing computer games and surfing the internet in our free time? |
Right. Certainly not you. Content creation, servers, video editors, me, my friends, many others here on the board, hundreds of others on tech forums I belong to...
There is no doubt there is a market for cheap RAM, as this thread has illustrated, but if you think that all RAM is the same, you are as uninformed as you are cavalier. Unfortunately, the proof lies in the fact that our computers run well.
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Who is Tom's Hardware being paid by, the cheap memory manufacturers??? I don't think they have that in their budget. LOL. |
Tom's gets many kickbacks for writing favorable reviews, and that includes from the big names to promote their value products. After all and as I said, there is a large market for cheap stuff. People who have no idea, ie; mainstream users, indeed make up the bread and butter of silicon sales. Enthusiast and professional markets are small compared to that which the unwashed masses (lol) comprise, of which it seems, you are one.
Maybe you know the difference and are disparately trying to justify your purchase or that you have inferior RAM...whatever. Do what you like, but you are arguing an absolutely stupid point. If you think Digiworks RAM can compete in the enthusiast/pro market, you are dreaming. And if you think Digiworks isn't a low-end child company of Hynix or Samsung, I think you are naive.
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| But I digress...I'm the resident cheap-a$$ around here. I swear by cheaper, well-researched components, over the over-priced marketing moguls. I rarely have problems. Or they rarely appear to me, anyways. Maybe the errors are hidden deep in the c[o]ckles of my system and will only be apparent to me in my final hours. |
Fine. You are cheap. That doesn't mean what you buy is high quality. Some people shoot low, some higher. Many people on this forum alone would not buy Digiworks RAM for all the reasons I outlined, and they are indeed reasons, not excuses. Excuses are for those who didn't buy what they wanted, like "I'm just cheap". That says, I didn't buy good stuff.. I suppose your research is comprised of reading sites like Tom's? There ya go.
Bottom line: You are blowing smoke about nothing. Digiworks is cheap RAM. It is comparatively slow, it will not last as long and will not stand up to stress as well as..well, better RAM. And better costs more. Lada and Benz.
I won't post again because it is not only clear, but common knowledge that cheap RAM is overall a bad idea. Good for those who are on a budget, don't know, don't care or those that believe as you, that all RAM is the same and it's all hype that separates them.
Do some real research into RAM production. It will help you see the vast differences and how they can affect computing. No, not e-mailing, playing Oblivion or surfing Dave's. I'm talking power users here, none of which would even consider buying RAM as cheap as Digiworks. |
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hanguker
Joined: 16 Mar 2005
Location: Korea
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OH the drama! You're going to make me cry. TT TT
I DIDN'T KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm trashing my computer right now. Then I'm going to by an Alienware for $6000. Then I can do everything I'm doing now for 10X the price. Then I'll have to upgrade in two years. My cheaper components would never have lasted that long, right?
Thanks for setting me straight Demo. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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OH the drama! You're going to make me cry. TT TT
I DIDN'T KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm trashing my computer right now. Then I'm going to by an Alienware for $6000. Then I can do everything I'm doing now for 10X the price. Then I'll have to upgrade in two years. My cheaper components would never have lasted that long, right?
Thanks for setting me straight Demo. |
You are welcome, and yes, you probably should trash it.
All I'm doing is stating the facts and answering your questions because I am just that nice. You don't seem to like facts, but hey, this is Dave's after all. The facts are irrelevant to most discussions around here.
I said clearly that what I am talking about probably doesn't apply to you. For you, cheap RAM is fine. Why so defensive? You admitted you were cheap and how you got your knickers in a knot when someone calls the stuff you bought cheap.
Oh, right...you are not cheap, you are smart because it's all a big marketing conspiracy.
Take a rest. |
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hanguker
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Right. 
Nice talking with you. |
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