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cubanlord
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 Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: What are the requirements..... |
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| a Korean person needs to meet in order to teach English in Korea? References are preferred over mere conjecture. Thanks. |
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kprrok
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:42 am Post subject: |
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My wife teaches. She was only required to have a 4-year degree in any field. Wait a minute....does that mean that Koreans are held to a similar standard in their requirements to teach as us foreigners? Can't be! We're the unqualified ones and they're all perfect!
Other than the degree, no requirements that I know of. Oh wait, then there's the ability to take everything up the rear end without complaining or having independent thoughts.
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cubanlord
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Allow me to give a little more background as to why I am seeking this information:
I am fed up with the fact that my students think KONGLISH is English; Korean teachers just don't get the fact that the particles 'ee', 'uh', and 'suh' are NOT English. Rather, they are endings in the KOREAN language which have spilled over into their slack-ass pronunciation of English words.
Also, I am FED UP with the fact that my students are coming back from HOGWONS where ignorant, incompetent-a$$ foreigners are teaching them *beep*-ed up English; things like 'he don't' urk the *beep* out of me especially when an English TEACHER makes that mistake!!!!!!!!! These places and people are undoing the hard work I put into my lessons and into my students. So, I am writing an article about it. This is my way of venting.
I know there are some great teachers out there. It's just that far too often I run into the 's.hhhhiiitttt' rather than the good stuff. Again, it's just a rant.
Regarding the topic: any helpful links would be greatly appreciated.
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: Re: What are the requirements..... |
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| cubanlord wrote: |
| a Korean person needs to meet in order to teach English in Korea? References are preferred over mere conjecture. Thanks. |
LEGALLY they require a degree.
if they are teaching privately they should register with the local education office. This usually does not occur and there is little enforcement.
If they are teaching in a hakwon the SCHOOL should register them but again it often doesn't happen and enforcement is lax.
They can get arrested and charged if they don't have a degree AND they get caught by the education office AND the education office files a complaint with the prosecutors office. Usually if a problem arrises with the education office they just get fired. I have only heard of one instance of this in the last 5 years and that was last year in Jongo. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: Re: What are the requirements..... |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| cubanlord wrote: |
| a Korean person needs to meet in order to teach English in Korea? References are preferred over mere conjecture. Thanks. |
LEGALLY they require a degree.
if they are teaching privately they should register with the local education office. This usually does not occur and there is little enforcement.
If they are teaching in a hakwon the SCHOOL should register them but again it often doesn't happen and enforcement is lax.
They can get arrested and charged if they don't have a degree AND they get caught by the education office AND the education office files a complaint with the prosecutors office. Usually if a problem arrises with the education office they just get fired. I have only heard of one instance of this in the last 5 years and that was last year in Jongo. |
so 'legally' they only need a 4-year degree in any discipline to teach English?  Is there a link from the MOJ or the MOE from which I can cite this? |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| cubanlord wrote: |
Allow me to give a little more background as to why I am seeking this information:
I am fed up with the fact that my students think KONGLISH is English; Korean teachers just don't get the fact that the particles 'ee', 'uh', and 'suh' are NOT English. Rather, they are endings in the KOREAN language which have spilled over into their slack-ass pronunciation of English words.
Also, I am FED UP with the fact that my students are coming back from HOGWONS where ignorant, incompetent-a$$ foreigners are teaching them *beep*-ed up English; things like 'he don't' urk the *beep* out of me especially when an English TEACHER makes that mistake!!!!!!!!! These places and people are undoing the hard work I put into my lessons and into my students. So, I am writing an article about it. This is my way of venting.
I know there are some great teachers out there. It's just that far too often I run into the 's.hhhhiiitttt' rather than the good stuff. Again, it's just a rant.
Regarding the topic: any helpful links would be greatly appreciated.
Ralph |
If you were worried about the integrity of English teaching, you would realise that "urk" is in fact spelled "irk".  |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: Re: What are the requirements..... |
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| cubanlord wrote: |
| so 'legally' they only need a 4-year degree in any discipline to teach English? Is there a link from the MOJ or the MOE from which I can cite this? |
I don't have a link handy but the local GU office will direct you to the local education office and they can show you the policy manual for private teachers (tutors and hakwon teachers) if you want the specifics. |
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okokok
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| cubanlord wrote: |
Also, I am FED UP with the fact that my students are coming back from HOGWONS where ignorant, incompetent-a$$ foreigners are teaching them *beep*-ed up English; things like 'he don't' urk the *beep* out of me especially when an English TEACHER makes that mistake!!!!!!!!! These places and people are undoing the hard work I put into my lessons and into my students. |
Give me a break. It seems everybody goes on about what a great teacher they are and how everybody else is crap.
Who teaches a kid to say 'he don't'. Nobody!!!
People always talk about the foreign teachers who don't care. I have seen foreigner after foreigner show up in this place on their first day of work in a shirt and tie, ready to do their absolute best. Then after weeks or months of frustration and realizing that everything here is a joke, they do tend to not care. The shirt and tie stay in the closet and the teacher just goes through the motions since it often is the best way to survive.
Koreans are the only ones who can change how things are here. And I'm not just talking about the Hagwon system. It's the entire culture of parenting and how they bring up their children. It's the entire country's attitude toward English.
For the most part, kids don't care. Even the 'incompetent' (as you say) hagwon teachers can drill and drill these kids and they'll still spit out 'he don't'.
But even more importantly the parents don't care. Now I know many of you will argue this and point to how English crazy parents in Korea are, and I agree.... but on some strange level they still don't care. In 5 years, the students I have taught over the years have under a 20% completion rate for assigned homework. Give the kids a test and on test day ask them who studied... the answer will be no one and you'll get alot of laughter. And then when the kid gets a score of 0%, he'll prance around showing it off to the other students. When you try to get parents involved, as my various places of work have done over the years (in checking homework, or signing something if the kid uses the English they were taught that day at home) over 90% of parents don't cooperate.
Something is really wrong here. And after some time here, it's easy to forget what it's like back home. I know I'm committing the biggest sin in comparing things to back home, but last time I was home I was stunned by the difference between my nieces and nephews who are in the 6-8 year-old range. They sat down at a desk to do their homework and they absolutely focused. They took their work seriously and I couldn't believe how they didn't fidget, or lose focus or anything. Say what you want, but there is a huge difference in the behavior and maturity of kids that age in Korea compared with Canada (even in considering the Korean/Western age thing). I witnessed their parents checking their homework, and signing some things for their teacher and even checking in with the class website. I am convinced that Korean parents don't do this.
I often hear of the stereotype that Korean fathers beat their kids and discipline them, etc. But this is confusing to me since I just see parents allowing their kids to run wild all the time. Their is no boundary for kids here. There is no discipline. Kids can do whatever they please. Run around in a restaurant, push in front of you in a store or on the street, act like absolute animals wherever they go. This same attitude transfers to the classroom in how they learn (or don't learn English) and how they treat their foreign teachers.
There are so many problems here. Kids not bringing their books to class, or not bringing a pencil to class (how can parents bring their kindergartener to class with absolutely nothing?!), kids coming late to class, kids leaving class early to go to a different hagwon, kids missing classes altogether, etc, etc....
I taught something other than English here for a while and it's the same thing. Kids missing all the time, kids late all the time, etc. You can' t move on as a group because so many kids miss so much that you have to go back to square one every lesson.
I'm tired of people blaming the teachers. Koreans are the bigger problem. I realized that my first week here 5 years ago. I got off the plane and my hagwon asked me if I had any ideas about how to teach English because they had none.
Of course there are exceptions, but there is a LARGE amount of indifference in this country. There isn't the responsibility or accountability like there is 'back home' and they pay a price for it.
If they are going to send their kid to a hagwon, why not take it seriously? Why not check up on what your kid is doing? Why not make sure that your kid is putting in some sort of effort? Why not see to it that your money is being well spent? Sure Korean moms are famous for complaining, but why not lay down some rules for your kid and do something when he fails to learn a single English word after months in a hagwon?
Stop blaming the foreigners. Blame yourselves and your carefree attitudes. Your attitude that if I pronounce it 'orange-ee' it doesn't matter. Your attitude that articles don't matter. The attitude here sucks.
That's my rant.
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denistron
Joined: 21 Oct 2006
Location: Busan
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chasmmi
Joined: 16 Jun 2007
Location: Ulsan
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| I sometimes think the kids here act well below their ages. Then I remember that they are actually 2 years younger than they are due to the Korean age thing. 10 years olds are 8, 8 year olds are 6, etc etc. |
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wo buxihuan hanguoren
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis
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| Do you teach your kids that Transformers is the best film ever made, too? |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| Can non-degree carrying, fluent English speaking Koreans teach English lessons privately, under the table? I have a friend who is looking for work and her English is great. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| okokok wrote: |
Give me a break. It seems everybody goes on about what a great teacher they are and how everybody else is crap.
Who teaches a kid to say 'he don't'. Nobody!!! |
A - I never said I was a great teacher; you assume this is what I was implying. You're wrong. It doesn't take a 'great teacher' to teach basic subject/verb agreement nor does it take some English teaching superstar not to teach Konglish. Nice try.
B - You do not have first hand experience of KNOWING someone who says 'he don't' in regular conversation AND has it on handouts (writing handouts).
C - I have recruited (for free) several teachers and let me tell you the amount of resumes I get that are just plain scary (both Korean and English teachers wanting to teach English).
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cubanlord
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| wo buxihuan hanguoren wrote: |
| Do you teach your kids that Transformers is the best film ever made, too? |
Nope, I just take them on a field trip to watch the movie and let them make their own decisions.  |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| If you were worried about the integrity of English teaching, you would realise that "urk" is in fact spelled "irk". |
That's what happens when you don't use a word often; you tend to forget the spelling. I'm sorry, you haven't forgotten how to spell a word before? Better yet, you have never had to 'check' your spelling because you didn't know how a word was spelled? Yeah...that's what I thought.  We're all in the same pool. It's just that some of us (I guess you) care about our posts being 100% in respect to spelling, grammar and what not while the others, well, we just don't care to proofread everything.  |
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