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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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 Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: The Rape Thread |
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In simple language, for its intended audience:
Rape is terrible. Even when it happens to women who are not white. In fact, it is just as terrible when it happens to women who are not white, as it is when it happens to women who are. I do not agree to white or brown people doing it to either white or brown women. I do not agree that it is a good thing, whether you are christian, muslim or animist.
It's really not on, in my opinion. I would like to see it stamped out forever.
How about you dear posters?
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| So, this is a satire of a satire? |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Indeed. I'm going to work my way down to the benign. |
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ChimpumCallao
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| You and Big Bird's OPs are too revolutionary for me. My mind may actually burst by your claims. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: The Rape Thread |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
In simple language, for its intended audience:
Rape is terrible. Even when it happens to women who are not white. In fact, it is just as terrible when it happens to women who are not white, as it is when it happens to women who are. I do not agree to white or brown people doing it to either white or brown women. I do not agree that it is a good thing, whether you are christian, muslim or animist.
It's really not on, in my opinion. I would like to see it stamped out forever.
How about you dear posters? |
I don't entirely agree with you. I would say that rape in the West is terrible, while being raped in a culture where the family honour is kept between the women's legs is even more terrible. In the West rape can really f*** up a women'`s mental health. In other parts of the world it can f*** up her chances of a normal life, by making her unmarriagable or by even getting her killed, like in the newly 'liberated' Iraq.
And I don't think you are quite sincere Pliggy, because you didn't bother to bold the word terrible or highlight it in blue.
Rape is terrible, even for swarthy looking mediterranean types! |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| I took care of it for you, BB. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:03 am Post subject: Re: The Rape Thread |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| In other parts of the world it can f*** up her chances of a normal life, by making her unmarriagable or by even getting her killed, like in the newly 'liberated' Iraq. |
And there was no rape in iraq before the Americans intervened? or if there was it didn't end in death?
As far as i can tell marriage itself is practically rape in countries like that - where the woman has to marry a stranger she does not even choose for herself, and submit to the bearded one for the rest of her pitiable life. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:13 am Post subject: Re: The Rape Thread |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| In other parts of the world it can f*** up her chances of a normal life, by making her unmarriagable or by even getting her killed, like in the newly 'liberated' Iraq. |
And there was no rape in iraq before the Americans intervened? or if there was it didn't end in death?
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According to many reports, honour killings rose significantly after the invasion. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: Re: The Rape Thread |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
According to many reports, honour killings rose significantly after the invasion. |
"According to many reports, honour killings rose significantly in peace-time Europe with the arrival of muslim immigrants." |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Julius:
I'm not sure what you are trying to do here, other than have an argument. You seem to be trying to suggest that I don't believe rape happens in the muslim community? Is that it? Please clarify. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Julius:
I'm not sure what you are trying to do here, other than have an argument. You seem to be trying to suggest that I don't believe rape happens in the muslim community? Is that it? Please clarify. |
You appear to be trying to absolve muslims of responsibility for their actions.
Killing women for percieved "sexual misdemeanurs" has been an accepted part of their culture for centuries before Americans arrived.
Urging their own infant children to blow themselves to bits is another wonderful facet of this intriguing culture. Must be someone elses fault too, I guess. |
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Pligganease
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| Why do I get the distinct feeling that Big_Bird has been waiting all week for someone to say something like Julius did? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
Julius:
I'm not sure what you are trying to do here, other than have an argument. You seem to be trying to suggest that I don't believe rape happens in the muslim community? Is that it? Please clarify. |
You appear to be trying to absolve muslims of responsibility for their actions. |
Pinpoint for me on this thread where I have done that.
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| Killing women for percieved "sexual misdemeanurs" has been an accepted part of their culture for centuries before Americans arrived. |
I have not said differently. I was pointing out that in that kind of a culture, rape is even more horrendous than it is in the West. That would tend to imply that I have a dim view of the cultural attitude to rape victims in that country. I don't quite understand how I've absolved muslims for the raping. Please clarify.
Honour killings have gone up significantly since the Americans arrived. That was another unfortunate side effect of the invasion - the fabric of the society so dissolved that their society has become more brutal, and the ugliness of religious fundamentalism (kept in check prior to the invasion) has reared its head, and old traditions are reasserting themselves again. The ultimate blame lies with each perpetrator of the crime, but the invaders do shoulder some of the blame, for distroying what law and order there was prior to the invasion. However, this is a small aside, and deviating from the OP. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: |
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The scene is a robbery trial with the victim, a man, being cross-examined by the defence:
Counsel: So you have told the court that you were held up at gunpoint. Is that correct?
Witness: Yes.
Did you struggle with the robber?
- No.
Why not?
- He had a gun.
Then you made a conscious decision to comply with his demands rather than resist?
- Yes.
I see. Have you ever been held up before?
- No.
Have you ever given money away?
- Yes, of course.
And you did so willingly?
- What are you getting at?
Well, let's put it this way. You've given money away in the past. In fact, you've got a reputation for philanthropy. How can we be sure you weren't for some reason contribing to have your money taken by force?
- Listen, if I wanted...
Nevermind. What time did this 'holdup' you talk about take place?
- About 11pm.
So, you were out on the street at 11pm. Doing what?
- Just walking.
Just walking. You must know it's dangerous being out on the street late at night. Weren't you aware that you could have been held up?
- I haven't thought about it.
Hadn't thought about it. What were you wearing?
- Let's see, a suit. Yes, as suit.
An expensive suit?
- Well, I'm a successful doctor you know.
In other words, you were walking around the streets late at night for no obvious reason, in an expensive suit that practically advertised that you might be a good target for some easy money. Isn't that so? I mean if we didn't know better we might even think you were asking for this to happen, mightn't we. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| That was another unfortunate side effect of the invasion - the fabric of the society so dissolved that their society has become more brutal, and the ugliness of religious fundamentalism (kept in check prior to the invasion) has reared its head, and old traditions are reasserting themselves again. The ultimate blame lies with each perpetrator of the crime, but the invaders do shoulder some of the blame, for distroying what law and order there was prior to the invasion. |
Yes they should be back under Saddam letting his son's and generals commit rape..... |
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