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On the other hand
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 Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: urban marijuana arrests up 30% in Canada |
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Recalling all that talk a few years back about Canada being the laidback land of free weed...
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The number of people arrested for smoking pot rose dramatically in several Canadian cities last year after the Conservatives took office and killed a bill to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana.
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The number of people charged plunged from 26,882 in 2002 and remained relatively steady, below 19,000, for the three years that decriminalization was being debated in Parliament.
But police say many pot-smokers -- especially younger ones -- appear unaware that the bill never actually passed.
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Guess it pays to watch something on TV besides cartoons.
http://tinyurl.com/2o97jt |
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igotthisguitar
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Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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What of the rural stats? Likely too many rifles in peoples houses for the mounties to want to make much of an issue of kicking in doors to "smoke out" a couple joints.
Atta go Stephen Harper 
btw - Any other interesting trends in other Canadian "crime" stats?
e.g. violent / malevolent acts including rape, murder, theft, white collar embezzlement, extortion etc? |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: urban marijuana arrests up 30% in Canada |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
Recalling all that talk a few years back about Canada being the laidback land of free weed...
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The number of people arrested for smoking pot rose dramatically in several Canadian cities last year after the Conservatives took office and killed a bill to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana.
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The funniest part of the article...
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The number of people charged plunged from 26,882 in 2002 and remained relatively steady, below 19,000, for the three years that decriminalization was being debated in Parliament.
But police say many pot-smokers -- especially younger ones -- appear unaware that the bill never actually passed.
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Guess it pays to watch something on TV besides cartoons.
http://tinyurl.com/2o97jt |
The reason that the number of people being charged fell in 2002 though was not that less people were smoking, it was that police were not laying charges in many instances as they believed it would soon be legalized and therefore simply clog the courts. Once that bill was defeated there was no reason not to enforce the law. |
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thepeel
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This issue, more than anything, ended my support for Harper.
There is no excuse for this kind of bad public policy anymore. Pot just isn't toxic enough to require such criminalization. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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Yeah, the yahoo article explained pretty clearly that it was a matter of enforcement, and that's all.
There have been a few follow up stories on yahoo as well (So you're busted: What next?). Here's hoping the issue gets revived. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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This issue, more than anything, ended my support for Harper.
There is no excuse for this kind of bad public policy anymore. Pot just isn't toxic enough to require such criminalization. |
Well we agree one thing then! How many pot related deaths can you cite? Hint, none! It is impossible to smoke enough pot to die, you would pass out from lack of oxygen first. That's how toxic is isn't. Yet you can easily die from alcohol poisoning and many many do. In fact when you look at all alcohol related deaths including car accidents and medical things, alcohol is positively deadly, and pot is completely benign. The law is all about money, nothing more, as pot is too hard to regulate. They don't care about your health at all, they just don't want you able to grow something, sell it, and make money when they can't get a slice. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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But how many more convictions were there? If there were 30,000 arrests I'd be surprised if more than 10% got convicted, with the courts only caring about growers.
Furthermore 30,000 must be less than 1% of Canadian urbanites who smoke pot from time to time. What the hell is the point of bothering? |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Furthermore 30,000 must be less than 1% of Canadian urbanites who smoke pot from time to time. What the hell is the point of bothering? |
I was told by a former RCMP guy many years back that they don't care about pot use. They just want to keep it illegal so they can have a way to arest those they feel are criminals.
Like sending Capone to jail for tax evasion sort of thing. |
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yawarakaijin
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Furthermore 30,000 must be less than 1% of Canadian urbanites who smoke pot from time to time. What the hell is the point of bothering? |
I was told by a former RCMP guy many years back that they don't care about pot use. They just want to keep it illegal so they can have a way to arest those they feel are criminals.
Like sending Capone to jail for tax evasion sort of thing. |
Sounds like a fiendishly good plan. Everyone in Canada smokes weed, so when you need to nail them, just follow them around for a week until you catch them in a transaction.  |
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Adventurer
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| I think Canadian voters should have voted for Paul Martin. It wasn't so much his fault that Chretien did what he did. I think that since the majority of Canadians in some provinces have tried pot at one point criminalizing people for smoking it seems so illogical. People can drink whisky if they are 19 so why not pot? I don't smoke pot, but I am not for going against pot smokers unless alcohol is also banned, and I am definitely not for that. I liked somethings about Harper like trying to make the military stronger but not his views on Quebec... |
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crusher_of_heads
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Please make a list of chronci chronic users who are high achievers, and are outside of the musical and sports professions.
Fight the power and pass the cheetos! |
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Adventurer
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Please make a list of chronci chronic users who are high achievers, and are outside of the musical and sports professions.
Fight the power and pass the cheetos! |
There are so many people with very good jobs in Canada who smoke marijuana recreationally just like there are people who drink beer on the weekends who are doing quite well. Not many alcoholics or heavy users of marijuana are very successful, though it does happen. The two aren't good for you. |
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khyber
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| Please make a list of chronci chronic users who are high achievers, and are outside of the musical and sports professions |
Well, I'm sure there are plenty of movie stars who smoke but I doubt they really advertise the fact.
Of course, there are plenty of high achievers who smoke, though I don't know if they smoke chronically. Being that it's illegal, not many people advertise the fact. Not only that but I very much doubt that accomplished scientists or various and sundry learned men will be a) known to us b) advertising their personal life.
I have three friends who are fairly chronic (smoke, on average at least once a day). Two of them are very successful teachers. One is a burn out. It's a crapshoot. |
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