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What if america used atomic bombs against china?
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koon_taung_daeng



Joined: 28 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: What if america used atomic bombs against china? Reply with quote

what do you think would have happened if Macarthur got his wish and the US bombed the bejesus out of china during the Korean war?
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YoshaMazov



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean aside from WWIII and nuclear winter?
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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

His (MacArthur's) true wish was to bomb the bridges on the
Chinese side of the boarder with conventional armaments.
That alone would have stopped the red advance cold.
His grudge with the Administration was that the was
not allowed to use "every" weapon in the arsenal.
That and I believe he was vying for a shot at the presidency,
luckily Ike was a little more popular.
Truman was a bit of a wimp.

The Nukes may have needed to be played at a later time though.

Also nuclear winter would not have been the issue
the bombs were not quite what they are today.
The intercontinental strike was still a few years out (1958).
The Russian Nuclear threat was only 1 year old at the time
of the Korean war and China had none. The US had the
more advanced Hydrogen bomb.

http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/timeline/1950/1950.htm

It may have been WWIII however
the superior Nuclear hand was with the US.

I would expect a Harry Turtledove novel may one day address this assumption, probably differently than mine.

http://www.futurefiction.com/harry_turtledove.htm

Maybe a Greater Corea as in a recently seen map
in another thread, who knows?
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure Korea would've been wiped out on the counterattack.
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
I'm sure Korea would've been wiped out on the counterattack.


What counterattack? From the Chinese? They could barely field an army, let alone come back and stomp Korea post-nuclear attack. Their men were using single-shot late-19th century weaponry while our guys had modern, battle-tested machine and sub-machine guns. The only reason they did the damage they did was because they used the Soviet strategy, also known as: recklessly throw our people at the enemy until we're all dead or they run out of bullets.
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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
I'm sure Korea would've been wiped out on the counterattack.


Which counter attack? China had no nukes, no aircraft, very little artillery.

The only advantage was manpower and without bridges, no passage south.

US - Soviet Air-power was stalemated.
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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep once those bridges were out the surge would have stopped.

It was one of the biggest military blunders ever thanks to Truman.

He refused permission to take out the bridges.

Some say it was over his regret/guilt at using the Bomb against Japan.

Taking out the bridges and strafing the stranded troops would have scattered the human wave completely.
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koon_taung_daeng



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats really interesting about those bridges i never knew that, why does my country always have complete idiot assholes as presidents
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at the history....Chosun Reservoir.....when the U.S. reached it....zillions of Chinese were waiting and that's where it ended. If the U.S. had the military numbers....they would have taken the north. The problem was that the Chinese did not want the U.S. on its door step had they taken the north.....and the U.S. backed down. Too close for comfort.
Even the bomb would not have helped. China is just to big and to many people...the U.S. would have been out numbered 1000 to one.
Even today...China would win against the U.S. which is why past, current and future Presidents won't fight them. All the resourses that the U.S. has would be in China and then the rest of the forces would be spread to thinly elsewhere. Can't risk it. Not to mention that the north would help China against the U.S......as would many other countries.
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MacArthur had the right idea. Wink He wasn't always right, but he was in that case. He had the ba11s to do it, too. We need more men like him- intelligent builders with the ba11s to kick butt when necessary.
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oneofthesarahs



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 1949, MacArthur wanted to extend a belt of radioactive cobalt along the Chinese/North Korean border to prevent land invasion of Korea for 60-120 years, the active life of cobalt.

It is also 320 times more radioactive than radium, and one 400 tone cobalt H-bomb could wipe out all animal life on earth.

FUN!!!
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbclark4 wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
I'm sure Korea would've been wiped out on the counterattack.


Which counter attack? China had no nukes, no aircraft, very little artillery.

The only advantage was manpower and without bridges, no passage south.

US - Soviet Air-power was stalemated.


Bingo. They began developing their nukes in 1953.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Korea was unified after the Korean War, would Korea be more like the North or South?

I think if Korea were unified after 1954, Korea would have been dirt poor.
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Alias



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbclark4 wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
I'm sure Korea would've been wiped out on the counterattack.


Which counter attack? China had no nukes, no aircraft, very little artillery.

The only advantage was manpower and without bridges, no passage south.

US - Soviet Air-power was stalemated.


The Soviet Union would have acted upon a US attack on China. Not just a possible counter-attack in Korea but an attack in Germany. The price was not worth it.
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellofaniceguy wrote:

Even today...China would win against the U.S. which is why past, current and future Presidents won't fight them. All the resourses that the U.S. has would be in China and then the rest of the forces would be spread to thinly elsewhere. Can't risk it. Not to mention that the north would help China against the U.S......as would many other countries.




That's exactly what will happen, but the outcome will be nearly mutual, as we can see here
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