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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: Jogging as un-French, right-wing and ploy to brainwash |
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The French left, in all her glory!
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President Sarkozy has fallen foul of intellectuals and critics who see his passion for jogging as un-French, right-wing and even a ploy to brainwash his citizens.
Attacks on Mr Sarkozy�s pastime, which he has made a symbol of his presidency, began on the internet as soon as he bounded up the steps of the Elys�e Palace in shorts when he took office in May. That moment has become the icon of his hyperenergetic administration. The grumbling has now moved to television and the press.
�Is jogging right wing?� wondered Lib�ration, the left-wing newspaper. Alain Finkelkraut, a celebrated philosopher, begged Mr Sarkozy on France 2, the main state television channel, to abandon his �undignified� pursuit. He should take up walking, like Socrates, Arthur Rimbaud, the poet, and other great men, said Mr Finkelkraut.
�Western civilisation, in its best sense, was born with the promenade. Walking is a sensitive, spiritual act. Jogging is management of the body. The jogger says I am in control. It has nothing to do with meditation.�
Mr Sarkozy�s habit infuriates his critics � and some supporters � because he flaunts it so hard. Le running du Pr�sident, often clad in his favourite NYPD T-shirt, has become a ritual, like King Louis XIV�s rides at Versailles. He has practised it at summits in Brussels and Germany and he is looking forward to a bonding jog with Jos� Socrates, the Prime Minister of Portugal, which took over the European Union presidency this week.
Until �Speedy Sarko� won office, French heads of state shunned physical exercise in public. The late Fran�ois Mitterrand was privately partial to golf, but the reflective stroll was his public trademark. Jacques Chirac, Mr Sarkozy�s predecessor, was famous for his energy, but in public he moved at walking pace and in suit and tie.
Le jogging, originally known as le footing and now more fashionably as le running, caught on in France, as elsewhere, in the 1980s and eight million claim to indulge. But Mr Sarkozy has rekindled a French suspicion that the habit is for self-centred individualists such as the Americans who popularised it. �Jogging is of course about performance and individualism, values that are traditionally ascribed to the Right,� Odile Baudrier, editor of V02 magazine, a sports publication, told Lib�ration. Patrick Mignon, a sports sociologist, noted that French intellectuals had always held sport in contempt, while totalitarian regimes cultivated physical fitness.
Beyond the self-promotion, some commentators see something sinister in the media fascination with le jogging de Supersarko. The �hypnotic� daily images of presidential running are not innocent, said Daniel Schneidermann, a media critic. Mr Sarkozy uses the video images of his jogging as �a major weapon of media manipulation�, said Mr Schneidermann.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2022804.ece
I guess it isn't only zee Americans who fret about the hobbies of their leaders.
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| So. Is jogging right-wing? |
Well, come to think of it, it does seem like a pretty American, or at least anglo, pursuit. When I think of famous people jogging, the only images that come to mind are North Americans.
Mind you, the most celebrated jogging American politician was Bill Clinton, who also seemed rather well-liked among the European salon set, at least in comparison to Bush.
I agree that if the French left is making these complaints seriously, then they really need to find a new cause. I would put this on about the same intellectual level as re-naming French Fries "freedom fries". |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Mr Sarkozy uses the video images of his jogging as �a major weapon of media manipulation�, said Mr Schneidermann.
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But couldn't you also say the same thing about Mitterand's pensive strolls through the forest? He was probably trying to "manipulate" the public into thinking he was a pensive, reflective man.
Personally, I think this type of "analysis" is just more evidence as to why, with a few exceptions, humanities majors should stay away from hard political analysis.
Myself being one of the exceptions of course. |
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giggles84
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
Location: Loch Ness where the Monster lives, Inverness, Scotland UK planet Earth (according 2 google earth)
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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how can anyone judge jogging with political affiliation and personal character....what was in the article we all knew about Mr Sarkozy well before becoming president and on what he stands for....it s crap reporting and spinning the news....forget about the politicians it the media which screw the news reel.
i suppose all celebreties those that do marathons must be believers in athenian democracy if the article is supposedly right... |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, the French!
They'd argue and debate the significance of anything - to death. Something I love about them and I have no worries they are going to turn, "right wing". Decadence will always reign in France; with food, with women, with ideas, with politics, with society and ceremony. They do things to extreme, an intellectual extreme. I don't think a little jogging will hurt it.
I just hope that some commentator doesn't next allege that "le jogging" is full of Islamic traitors because most of the best runners and clubs are Moroccaine, Algerian. Now that would truly be more American.
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| We Brits rely heavily on the French to come up with stunning analyses like these to brighten our otherwise coud-covered days. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Well Gopher, I guess we got to blame that upstart Clinton for starting all this "jogging" business.....
If "le jogging" is truly right wing, then I'm gonna call Cheney for a job asap. I'd qualify with honours.
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Jogging is for the flat chested. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Well Gopher, I guess we got to blame that upstart Clinton for starting all this "jogging" business.....
If "le jogging" is truly right wing, then I'm gonna call Cheney for a job asap. I'd qualify with honours.
DD |
Really. Don't you run marathons? |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote:
Well Gopher, I guess we got to blame that upstart Clinton for starting all this "jogging" business.....
If "le jogging" is truly right wing, then I'm gonna call Cheney for a job asap. I'd qualify with honours.
DD
Really. Don't you run marathons? |
I run any and everything. All distances, running is running and the challenge of "how fast" suffices. How far has ceased to be a challenge and I do a lot of ultramarathons.
But the French unlike us North Americans, don't make the distinction of "running" and "jogging". Le running et le jogging sont les memes, quelque chose pour les buffons et imbeciles. Both are the same to them, something for "fools" and "crazies".
So I would be really right wing. Sarkozy isn't the jogger like Carter, more like Clinton who really was a "runner" not a jogger. At least I do remember Carter jogging, can anyone confirm my poor memory?
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:26 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote:
Well Gopher, I guess we got to blame that upstart Clinton for starting all this "jogging" business.....
If "le jogging" is truly right wing, then I'm gonna call Cheney for a job asap. I'd qualify with honours.
DD
Really. Don't you run marathons? |
I run any and everything. All distances, running is running and the challenge of "how fast" suffices. How far has ceased to be a challenge and I do a lot of ultramarathons.
But the French unlike us North Americans, don't make the distinction of "running" and "jogging". Le running et le jogging sont les memes, quelque chose pour les buffons et imbeciles. Both are the same to them, something for "fools" and "crazies".
So I would be really right wing. Sarkozy isn't the jogger like Carter, more like Clinton who really was a "runner" not a jogger. At least I do remember Carter jogging, can anyone confirm my poor memory?
DD |
Ahem. Actually, and Plig can correct me if I'm mistaken, I think Plig wasn't making any distinction - rather he was confused...and confusing! |
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giggles84
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
Location: Loch Ness where the Monster lives, Inverness, Scotland UK planet Earth (according 2 google earth)
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| Also Josh from Westwing jogged along with vice president what is name.....ah hoines (spelt correctly?) |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote:
Well Gopher, I guess we got to blame that upstart Clinton for starting all this "jogging" business.....
If "le jogging" is truly right wing, then I'm gonna call Cheney for a job asap. I'd qualify with honours.
DD
Really. Don't you run marathons? |
I run any and everything. All distances, running is running and the challenge of "how fast" suffices. How far has ceased to be a challenge and I do a lot of ultramarathons.
But the French unlike us North Americans, don't make the distinction of "running" and "jogging". Le running et le jogging sont les memes, quelque chose pour les buffons et imbeciles. Both are the same to them, something for "fools" and "crazies".
So I would be really right wing. Sarkozy isn't the jogger like Carter, more like Clinton who really was a "runner" not a jogger. At least I do remember Carter jogging, can anyone confirm my poor memory?
DD |
Ahem. Actually, and Plig can correct me if I'm mistaken, I think Plig wasn't making any distinction - rather he was confused...and confusing! |
Nope, I'm neither confused nor confusing. DD got it. I was thinking about the stupidity of the French. I remember reading on DD's site about him running for 24-hours straight or something. I was just pointing out to those that might not know that DD's a running SOB.
He's as right-wing as they come! 
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| Classic french absurdity, funny, but quite worrying as they are clearly serious, or at least using it for serious political means. |
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