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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:40 am Post subject: Question for Quebecers |
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http://www.caribbeanmedicine.com/article31.htm
I'm from Australia and wield a UK passport. I have no proclivity in this argument, save for my curiosity. I refer you to the third column of the above article. Quebecers, are you Quebecois first and Canadian second, or vice versa? Alternatively, how do you Anglo or non Francaphone Canadians feel about this? |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Question for Quebecers |
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jaganath69 wrote: |
http://www.caribbeanmedicine.com/article31.htm
I'm from Australia and wield a UK passport. I have no proclivity in this argument, save for my curiosity. I refer you to the third column of the above article. Quebecers, are you Quebecois first and Canadian second, or vice versa? Alternatively, how do you Anglo or non Francaphone Canadians feel about this? |
Anglo-Canadians from Quebec almost always call themselves Canadians and are proud to be Canadians. This includes most immigrants in Quebec. The French part of the population is different. I would venture to say maybe 50-60% of the French component view themselves as kind of separate from Canada while the rest want to be associated with Canada somehow. Canada Day celebrations are generally weak in Quebec. Federalism is not strong over there. French Quebecers view themselves as unique and separate in general. However, plenty enough are pragmatic and see the benefits of being Canadian...I frankly got tired of the French politics when I lived there. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: |
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Why make the distinction between those who believe they are French or Quebecois, and Canadian???? We don't ask this of any other ethnic group, to any large extent.
I grew up in Timiscamingue/Temiscaming, on the border with Quebec. I remember going to Canada Day celebrations in Val d'Or and it being quite festive and a lot of Canadian flags and ceremonies/picnics. This is the case with the vast majority of Quebecois although I will concede there are the hardcore who are against any federalist allegiance. But I think even many Bloc supporters (seperatiste), do celebrate Canada and recognize how valuable and unique its history and culture and future is.....
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
Why make the distinction between those who believe they are French or Quebecois, and Canadian???? We don't ask this of any other ethnic group, to any large extent.
I grew up in Timiscamingue/Temiscaming, on the border with Quebec. I remember going to Canada Day celebrations in Val d'Or and it being quite festive and a lot of Canadian flags and ceremonies/picnics. This is the case with the vast majority of Quebecois although I will concede there are the hardcore who are against any federalist allegiance. But I think even many Bloc supporters (seperatiste), do celebrate Canada and recognize how valuable and unique its history and culture and future is.....
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DD, the areas close to Ontario tend to be more federalist. The farther you go from Ontario the more the French Canadians of Quebec to view themselves as Quebecois first and maybe Canadian second. This is the reality I saw in Quebec outside of Hull. People in Hull and Gatineau (Outaouais region) are different from the people of Lac St Jean, Rimouski, Trois Rivieres, Laval, Quebec City, and parts of the eastern part of Montreal. Those who view themselves as separate are not a small group.
St Jean Baptiste is celebrated much more than Canada Day in Quebec. It is a reality over there. You can ask other people who lived there. |
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bonanzabucks
Joined: 09 Jun 2007 Location: NYC
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: |
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I concur with Adventurer. My father is from Quebec and I still have a lot of family there. The only ones that are federalist are the English-Quebeckers (and their numbers are dwindling fast). The French (and I'd even reckon 70% of them) want to leave and, quite frankly, they should. It would do the rest of Canada a lot of good if they left because they drag the rest of the country down.
My aunt lives in Quebec by the Ontario border and, as Adventurer said, Canada Day celebrations are generally more lively there compared to the rest of the province, where they are dead.
Hordes of the English-speaking population leave that province each year and to replace them, Quebec is doing an aggressive campaign to attract immigrants from former French colonies (especially in North Africa). They're even going to Brazil because it's perceived that Portuguese speakers can become fluent in French within six months.
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But I think even many Bloc supporters (seperatiste), do celebrate Canada and recognize how valuable and unique its history and culture and future is..... |
How can you say this when they demand to be treated as a "distinct society"? If Canada is supposedly a bilingual country, then why do they demand that all signs in Quebec be in French? Yes, I know the rest of the country doesn't have many French signs, but the laws in Alberta and Ontario don't prevent this like they do in Quebec. They're spitting in the face of the rest of the country. You speak with a lot of them, and they scoff at the suggestion that the rest of Canada has any culture to speak of.
The only thing they recognize is that we send them money to keep them within the union. I bet this whole separation thing is a farce to swindle the rest of the country into sending them money since they completely bankrupted their economy and don't have a clue how to revive it. Funny thing is that they want to separate, but they don't want to abandon the Canadian dollar and they still want want us to send money after they leave.
And another thing that isn't mentioned so much on this topic. If Quebec were the separate, then how much of Quebec would they be able to have? The natives claim most of the province and not one of them would want to leave Canada. I was reading an article somewhere that if Quebec were to leave, then they'd only get a very small portion of the province (from Montreal to Quebec city) because the natives would stake claim to the rest. |
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