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byunhosa



Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Location: Center Ice

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: Language "exchange": Is it legit? Reply with quote

Is language exchange a euphemism for dating/socializing with Koreans?

I had posted on a language exchange website about being interested in finding a Korean conversation partner. So far virtually 100% of the responses I have gotten are from young (or fairly young) females. Some seem to be sincere, and refer to learning English for their jobs etc., while others talk about being a friend and showing me around, etc.

Now, part of this may be self-selection. I find some of the women here speak English better because they are more ambitious and perhaps less self-conscious about learning. But part of me wonders if some of these responses are just a cover for meeting up.

So far, I've not responded because I don't feel my Korean is yet at a level (I am a high Level II/low Level III, about a year of P/T study) where a partner would be that productive, but also because I am unsure of their motives.

Does anyone have experience with this? (BTW I am very happily married so I am not interested in making a special "friend". Very Happy).
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tigerbluekitty



Joined: 19 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, some of those ladies want to become your girlfriend and perhaps use you for free English lessons.

I've tried language exchanges before, most of the guys tried to start something romantic with me, the girls wanted to be my friend. I don't think I'm even suitable for most of them cuz our interests are so different, but still they latch onto me. Shocked

After that I changed cell phone numbers and never contacted them nor did language exchange again.

Your gut instinct is right. Follow it.
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mikowee



Joined: 03 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Language "exchange": Is it legit? Reply with quote

byunhosa wrote:
Is language exchange a euphemism for dating/socializing with Koreans?

I had posted on a language exchange website about being interested in finding a Korean conversation partner. So far virtually 100% of the responses I have gotten are from young (or fairly young) females. Some seem to be sincere, and refer to learning English for their jobs etc., while others talk about being a friend and showing me around, etc.

Now, part of this may be self-selection. I find some of the women here speak English better because they are more ambitious and perhaps less self-conscious about learning. But part of me wonders if some of these responses are just a cover for meeting up.

So far, I've not responded because I don't feel my Korean is yet at a level (I am a high Level II/low Level III, about a year of P/T study) where a partner would be that productive, but also because I am unsure of their motives.

Does anyone have experience with this? (BTW I am very happily married so I am not interested in making a special "friend". Very Happy).


I've done a group language exchange, and the majority of Koreans participating were single females. If you want to hook up, the pickings are there.

I also currently have a young, single, female language exchange partner and it's completely platonic. But that might be because of a lack of interest on my part.

Don't worry about their motives. As long as you know yours, there's a good chance things will work out as you want.
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Mashimaro



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean women seem more interested in learning English than Korean guys. II suppose a lot of younger guys are off at the army too.
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byunhosa



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, that more or less confirms my suspicions.

But surely someone is legitimately interested in learning English (and, more importantly, teaching me some more Korean?) Why don't any guys respond?

It's a shame that the process breeds such cynicism. I feel like it is a real opportunity that is being missed.

I'm not an English teacher so I guess I was a little naive about this.
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peachgaru



Joined: 12 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well its hit and miss. I agree with all of the posters above-- Korean females tend to be more interested for real language study. All of the male language exchange partners I've met have tried to turn the situation into a date and one even asked to sleep with me. My female partners have been much more serious about teaching me Korean and learning English.

I'd say that its a good opportunity. With such little opportunity to speak Korean, with exception of 안녕 하세요/ 감삽니다, language exchange is kinda all we're left with...
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tanklor1



Joined: 13 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:32 am    Post subject: Re: Language "exchange": Is it legit? Reply with quote

byunhosa wrote:
Is language exchange a euphemism for dating/socializing with Koreans?

I had posted on a language exchange website about being interested in finding a Korean conversation partner. So far virtually 100% of the responses I have gotten are from young (or fairly young) females. Some seem to be sincere, and refer to learning English for their jobs etc., while others talk about being a friend and showing me around, etc.

Now, part of this may be self-selection. I find some of the women here speak English better because they are more ambitious and perhaps less self-conscious about learning. But part of me wonders if some of these responses are just a cover for meeting up.

So far, I've not responded because I don't feel my Korean is yet at a level (I am a high Level II/low Level III, about a year of P/T study) where a partner would be that productive, but also because I am unsure of their motives.

Does anyone have experience with this? (BTW I am very happily married so I am not interested in making a special "friend". Very Happy).


Can you post the web site that you used. I've been thinking about improving my Korean and a conversation partner would be a great way to do it.
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peachgaru



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

www.hanlingo.com
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one female and one male language exchange partner. Both are sincere.
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HighTreason



Joined: 15 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am male and have 2 female and 1 male Korean language partner I got through [url="http://www.FriendsAbroad.com"]FriendsAbroad[/url]. I had another female and another male one recntly, but things petered out, just slowly stopped communicating to each due to lack of finding each other interesting I suppose. I have never had the problem of them wanting to date me. I have had FAR FAR more German language partners from when I was learning German and I now count several of them among my friends.

Anyway, it could just be your perception while they are just trying to be friendly, or you could have chosen a sight that draws a lot more folks looking for that sort of thing. Remember that they don't know your language that well, and they may not even be aware that they appear flirty. ...or they could be flirty, I don't know the details.

Basically, there are many people out there who want to have a real language exchange, and I think it is one of the best things you can do to improve your foreign language learning.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know most white males think language exchange = date while most women on a language exchange think "oh boy, free english lesson and a chance to get some photos with a foreigner for my cyworld page!"

I'm impressed, OP Smile

Surely, there are many women in the english exchange who have dual motivations. If the man is handsome and kind, oh what a pity if it turned into a relationship. But I would advise most men to expect a language exchange to be an exchange of language and culture, not fluids.
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tigerbluekitty



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
You know most white males think language exchange = date


Korean men think this as well you know. Foreign women should be wary of Korean guys as language exchange partners, friends, students or anything! Most of the guys do stuff like send strangely romantic and inappropriate text messages, call at the most inconvenient times (in the middle of the day or late night) to see how you're doing, if you wanna go out, do oddly creepy disturbing things, some desperate ones even touch inappropriately and go bipolar and crazy if you reject them! Korean guys are like no way, never ever again for me.

Korean American guys are alright though.

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If the man is handsome and kind, oh what a pity if it turned into a relationship.


There are many Korean women dating below average-looking white guys. Believe me, handsome men are hard to find anywhere and too in demand with too many women swarming over them. If only I could find a handsome man with chiseled features and six pack abs!! Sad
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, some of those ladies want to become your girlfriend and perhaps use you for free English lessons.

I've tried language exchanges before, most of the guys tried to start something romantic with me, the girls wanted to be my friend. I don't think I'm even suitable for most of them cuz our interests are so different, but still they latch onto me. Shocked

After that I changed cell phone numbers and never contacted them nor did language exchange again.

Your gut instinct is right. Follow it.


Well this is why I try to find my language partners out of someone I know. I also like to work with people who's English is not good so that they explain things to me in Korean instead of it being 2 hours of English practice for them.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Surely, there are many women in the english exchange who have dual motivations. If the man is handsome and kind, oh what a pity if it turned into a relationship. But I would advise most men to expect a language exchange to be an exchange of language and culture, not fluids.


Interesting enough I have had three female language exchange partners. They were all students at my university. I used to work at a lax university so know one cared. The students did not drop out of the classes because they were studying with me.


I think the most important thing is to find someone who will be committed to studying and not just flame out after a few times. This will easily happen if the women your are studying with wants to be more than language exchange partners. A word to the wise is to carefully pick your language partner.
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tigerbluekitty wrote:

Korean men think this as well you know. Foreign women should be wary of Korean guys as language exchange partners, friends, students or anything! Most of the guys do stuff like send strangely romantic and inappropriate text messages, call at the most inconvenient times (in the middle of the day or late night) to see how you're doing, if you wanna go out, do oddly creepy disturbing things, some desperate ones even touch inappropriately and go bipolar and crazy if you reject them! Korean guys are like no way, never ever again for me.


Not one of my Korean male friends has ever done any of these things to me.

Korean males I have dated...but not just friends.

Maybe I know a whole lot of closeted Korean men. No, that can't be it...
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