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Hurrah!....back to the good 'ol haekwon
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falco



Joined: 26 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: Hurrah!....back to the good 'ol haekwon Reply with quote

Yippee....only a couple more weeks and public school teaching is finished forever. My contract finishes in two weeks. No more exasperating co-teachers telling me what to do.....no more sitting around for days on end with nuthin to do......no more teaching kindergarten level brain-dead textbooks......no more putting up with co-teachers blithering on in Korean during English classes.......no more putting up with pompous asses who think they are my boss.....no more dirty looks from Korean teachers because I am not a 'real' teacher.

Hurrah!!.....back to the comfort of a haekwon.... Very Happy

- falco.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: good time... Reply with quote

You must have really had a good time teaching in your public school? Please never tell us where it was, because someone might be foolish enough to think they could go in there and do a better job than you did...The situation sounds like it was a pathetic experience for you...Good luck on your next stint in hagwon...
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This week my students are having finals. It was exactly two years ago that I first visited my public school, because I remenber the students having finals at the time. Meeting with the Korean staff and getting the tour I remember thinking to myself that this just might be teachers' heaven. It hasn't been smooth sailing 100% of the time and I've had to deal with a few lazy and bratty students and clueless bloody idiiot rookie KETs along the way, but all in all this has been the best job I've ever had and I've just signed on for a third year. I really couldn't imagine going back to a hagwon after this, though of course I know that not all PSs are as good as mine and not everyone's best suited for PS.

(It's amazing to think that 2/3 of the students I first met have already graduated and that I have more experience at my school than six of the Korean teachers. )
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: Know what you mean... Reply with quote

I am on my third contract as well, and like Yu_Bum_suk my experience has been very good for the most part...
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falco



Joined: 26 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm....my post may have been a tad negative but all true nonetheless. I have had some good times here but all was ruined by one co-teacher who has been, for the duration of the entire year, a control-freak son-of-a-bitch.

I was teaching at a great haekwon for over four years and had a great time throughout. Sorry to say my experience here hasnt been the same.

- falco.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

falco wrote:
Hmm....my post may have been a tad negative but all true nonetheless. I have had some good times here but all was ruined by one co-teacher who has been, for the duration of the entire year, a control-freak son-of-a-*beep*.

I was teaching at a great haekwon for over four years and had a great time throughout. Sorry to say my experience here hasnt been the same.

- falco.


Yeah, it's amazing how co-teachers can make such a huge difference. My only problem has been well-meaning idiot rookies. The two senior KETs at my high school (I work at a combined middle-high school) don't come to class, but they do give me a lot of support, so that's perfect. The two senior ones at my MS do usually make it to class but are thankfully more of a help than a distraction, one especially so. And the rookies are all younger and less experienced than me, so I can always pull rank if need be.

I can't imagine what it would be like working mostly with one idiot who was senior to me and always came to class.
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The_Conservative



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Know what you mean... Reply with quote

tob55 wrote:
I am on my third contract as well, and like Yu_Bum_suk my experience has been very good for the most part...


I'll be signing my third contract at my school soon enough. I can't ever imagine going back to hakwons...well I CAN, but it would have to be something out of this world to make me jump ship.
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Gamecock



Joined: 26 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Falco,

Sorry to hear your year was bad...I hope you have a job lined up with the great hogwan you were at before, because trust me, hogwan hell is WAYYYYY worse than Public School hell.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER will I go back to a hogwan...
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though I am having the same problems you described, and I am not enjoying it......I am not ready to go back to being ddong chimmee of the year, having idiot directors telling me to teach a book that's 5 levels too high, having level 2 students put in with level 6 because mommy thinks he's a genius, no holidays except national holidays, no pension, no medical insurance, directors trying to micromanage my life outside of the school..etc and on top of all that, worrying about getting paid.

If you can find a good hagwan, sure it can be better than public school, but your chances of finding that good one are about the same as a fart's chance in a windstorm.

Good Luck.
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falco



Joined: 26 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"If you can find a good hagwan, sure it can be better than public school, but your chances of finding that good one are about the same as a fart's chance in a windstorm."

"Good Luck."

Hey man...I understand where your coming from, believe me. But there are more good hagwons out there than you think and I think I may have found a good one to return to.

I guess part of my problem was that I was at the same hagwon for 4 years and had a ball. About the only problems I ever has was the director not paying on time on a couple of occasions. Compared to that this last year at this public school has been drag and, as I previously mentioned, a very tense relationship with a (total) control-freak co-teacher has made a lot of the time here unpleasant to say the least.

Some waygug-in...if your not enjoying it get out. Its not worth fighting with people who dont give a damn about you or what you do. The only reason I've stayed in Korea teaching is because I've enjoyed it.

- falco.
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Gamecock



Joined: 26 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But there are more good hagwons out there than you think and I think I may have found a good one to return to.


My friend...You were at the same hogwan for 4 years. Were you at any hogwans besides that good one??? Your optimism about hogwans is sending alarm bells off in my head, especially accompanied by the "I think I may have found a good one" comment.

I've been in a "good" hogwan and terrible ones. Even the good one turned around and stabbed me in the back in my last days there. I have several friends who have worked 10+ years in the hogwan industry. There AREN"T that many good ones out there.

Truly, I hope you find what you're looking for...
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 27 Mar 2006
Location: at my wit's end

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a CT who's a bit of a control freak. In today's class, he asked that I change my lesson plan 2 minutes after the bell rang! But I've gotten used to stuff like this so it was no problem.

If he wants to be a control freak, fine by me. I let him do most of the talking and teach when needed. It's only 50 minutes at a time. I've learned in my short time here (but over years of work experience in public service) to be as accomodating as I can to my colleagues. I accept them for what they are, and allow them to play the role they choose.

This does not however mean that it's good to be a doormat. There is a line but fortunately no one has crossed it (yet).
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falco



Joined: 26 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gamecock wrote:
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But there are more good hagwons out there than you think and I think I may have found a good one to return to.


My friend...You were at the same hogwan for 4 years. Were you at any hogwans besides that good one??? Your optimism about hogwans is sending alarm bells off in my head, especially accompanied by the "I think I may have found a good one" comment.

I've been in a "good" hogwan and terrible ones. Even the good one turned around and stabbed me in the back in my last days there. I have several friends who have worked 10+ years in the hogwan industry. There AREN"T that many good ones out there.

Truly, I hope you find what you're looking for...


Me too!

Gamecock....I think I've lived in Korea long enough to know when a school looks dodgy and when it doesnt. The hakwon I'm thinking of signing for had a South African teacher for the last two years who is only leaving because his wife is ill and has to go back to SA for medical treatment. I grilled him intensively about the place several times and am now satisfied that everything is OK. I had three meetings with the director who I am now satisfied is fairly straightup. OK, only time will tell I guess....I'll keep u posted!

At the moment I'm think this place will give me what I'm looking for that I dont have at the moment - teaching my own classes in my own way in my own style without petty interference from braindead co-teachers.....no useless demo classes......no more days spent at school doing absolutley nothing......only 5 hours a day actually spent at school......I dunno about you but it sounds pretty damn good to me!!

- falco.
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falco



Joined: 26 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jizzo T. Clown wrote:
I have a CT who's a bit of a control freak. In today's class, he asked that I change my lesson plan 2 minutes after the bell rang! But I've gotten used to stuff like this so it was no problem.

If he wants to be a control freak, fine by me. I let him do most of the talking and teach when needed. It's only 50 minutes at a time. I've learned in my short time here (but over years of work experience in public service) to be as accomodating as I can to my colleagues. I accept them for what they are, and allow them to play the role they choose.

This does not however mean that it's good to be a doormat. There is a line but fortunately no one has crossed it (yet).


Sorry mate, but it sounds like you are being a doormat to me. The whole idea of having a foreign English teacher is so the students can be exposed to English the way it is spoken overseas. You and your K co-teacher are supposed to teach as a team. Having the Korean teacher teach the whole class and you just sit on yer ass (as is the case by the sounds of your post and mine) is just wasting everybodys time especially the students.

If you let Korean teachers walk all over you they will, especially male teachers. I think there is a very good case for Korean co-teacher training as well as foreign teacher training.

- falco.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope your hagwan works out for you.

If it really does turn out to be good, please let others know.


I am not really sure what to do, if this situation gets so bad that I have to quit....I think I may be heading back to the great white north for a while.


I need some time away from this lunacy.


As far as letting them use you as a doormat goes.....

I was hired as an assistant teacher, if they want me to be a walking tape recorder, it's not really worth my while to start a war with them over it.
I know teachers who have tried to fight for control and even if they were successful, they ended up alienating themselves from the rest of the staff and in the end, created more problems for themselves.


I'll just do my time and move on.

Thankfully, only about half of my co-teachers are like that.
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