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davehere22
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 Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:06 am Post subject: public school lesson plans? |
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| Just wondering if anyone knows a good website with some public school lesson plans? |
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icnelly
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davehere22
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for that.
Just want to have a look and get an idea of what I will be doing next month when I move there. |
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yingwenlaoshi
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Leave the planning up to your co-teacher. You're just the assistant and are only needed as a tape recorder. Go with that.
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crusher_of_heads
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| Leave the planning up to your co-teacher. You're just the assistant and are just needed to be a tape recorder. Go with that. |
No. |
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yingwenlaoshi
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| crusher_of_heads wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| Leave the planning up to your co-teacher. You're just the assistant and are just needed to be a tape recorder. Go with that. |
No. |
"Yes." |
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crusher_of_heads
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| Leave the planning up to your co-teacher. You're just the assistant and are only needed as a tape recorder. Go with that. |
YOu're just saying that because your own parents referred to you as the red-headed stepchild.
See a therapist, get over it. |
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yingwenlaoshi
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| crusher_of_heads wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| Leave the planning up to your co-teacher. You're just the assistant and are only needed as a tape recorder. Go with that. |
YOu're just saying that because your own parents referred to you as the red-headed stepchild.
See a therapist, get over it. |
That makes sense. Good one. 
I'm just saying that because there are 35 students per class. Once a week. Why give yourself a headache? |
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icicle
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| Leave the planning up to your co-teacher. You're just the assistant and are only needed as a tape recorder. Go with that. |
All the planning done by the co-teacher is not necessarily the case in every school. The amount each does can vary from everything planned by Native teacher to everything done by Korean teacher ... and everything in between. I think the ideal position would be midway between the two with both working together to plan ...
In my school I plan the lessons that I teach ... So "go with that" with co-teacher planning everything simply would not work here ... I think my contract has a working together in planning lesson clause ... In my school I am definitely not a human tape player...
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| icicle wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| Leave the planning up to your co-teacher. You're just the assistant and are only needed as a tape recorder. Go with that. |
All the planning done by the co-teacher is not necessarily the case in every school. The amount each does can vary from everything planned by Native teacher to everything done by Korean teacher ... and everything in between. I think the ideal position would be midway between the two with both working together to plan ...
In my school I plan the lessons that I teach ... So "go with that" with co-teacher planning everything simply would not work here ... I think my contract has a working together in planning lesson clause ... In my school I am definitely not a human tape player...
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Agreed. I plan and teach solo for 75% of my classes each and every week. Sometimes I teach the co-teaching classes solo as well (the co-teacher is busy). As for once a week, nope. I see most of my classes anywhere from 4-6 times per week. |
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bosintang
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| crusher_of_heads wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| Leave the planning up to your co-teacher. You're just the assistant and are only needed as a tape recorder. Go with that. |
YOu're just saying that because your own parents referred to you as the red-headed stepchild.
See a therapist, get over it. |
That makes sense. Good one.
I'm just saying that because there are 35 students per class. Once a week. Why give yourself a headache? |
Actually, if I did this all over again, I'd probably do this. Play stupid, pretend I didn't know anything and be the co-teacher. Same pay, same job opportunities, less stress... |
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yingwenlaoshi
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| bosintang wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| crusher_of_heads wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| Leave the planning up to your co-teacher. You're just the assistant and are only needed as a tape recorder. Go with that. |
YOu're just saying that because your own parents referred to you as the red-headed stepchild.
See a therapist, get over it. |
That makes sense. Good one.
I'm just saying that because there are 35 students per class. Once a week. Why give yourself a headache? |
Actually, if I did this all over again, I'd probably do this. Play stupid, pretend I didn't know anything and be the co-teacher. Same pay, same job opportunities, less stress... |
That's what I was thinking. They don't pay enought for all that effort. To teach all those students. And even if you do make great lesson plans and everyone is enjoying your classes, how much English are they really learning?
People who go on about how great their public school jobs are should just stick to that and brag about how little they have to do. With everything. Not only the dull days of vacation where they just surf the net all day, but they're classes, too. I figure these cases where they teach the class alone are when the foreign teacher is getting ripped off and used. And the co-teacher is sipping tea somewhere.
If anything, public schools should have curriculums where you're teaching them out of the book. Not this "What do I do next week?" bullshiat. That takes time and MONEY. |
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ddeubel
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| If anything, public schools should have curriculums where you're teaching them out of the book. Not this "What do I do next week?" bullshiat. That takes time and MONEY. |
Most of your post, I really didn't understand what exactly it was, that you were saying. But I will address this above. In the public school system, there is need of a very structured approach in the classroom, regarding the tools used to teach curriculum. This is mostly because there are so many very underexperienced, first time teachers. That said, there is a book in the public school system and it is used TOO much.
You seem to think that language is learned from a book, by a book and through magic instruction by the teacher, orchestrating the voyage through that book (and sometimes tapes). Couldn't be further from the case. Books do teach literacy. But literacy does not a language make, not even a significant part of it. Your arguement for the book ignores the 99% of human social evolution that was devoid of text and our own evolved means of learning language through speaking / listening and WITHOUT a book.
This is the quickest way, but unfortunately not the easiest way given;
a) our ingrained notions of what it is to be a teacher
b) the courage needed to let go and really allow students to learn cooperatively and socially
c) the class sizes which are against the above.
Hagwons I will admit, becuase of lower class sizes and a communicative/talking focus do, do a better job than public schools when it comes to student learning. But many also do a piss poor job when they follow a book and there is no guidance or knowledge of how to use the book as only one tool in learning a language. So it is 50-50.
Just don't think language learning is a book. See my blog on my site, discussing this. I'll be putting up a part 2 to it, this week.
DD
PS. I do think that more downtime leads to BETTER teaching, irregardless of all else. Just a fact of life and bravo if those in the p.s. system have more down time. They can become and be better teachers. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
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| If anything, public schools should have curriculums where you're teaching them out of the book. Not this "What do I do next week?" bullshiat. That takes time and MONEY. |
Most of your post, I really didn't understand what exactly it was, that you were saying. But I will address this above. In the public school system, there is need of a very structured approach in the classroom, regarding the tools used to teach curriculum. This is mostly because there are so many very underexperienced, first time teachers. That said, there is a book in the public school system and it is used TOO much.
You seem to think that language is learned from a book, by a book and through magic instruction by the teacher, orchestrating the voyage through that book (and sometimes tapes). Couldn't be further from the case. Books do teach literacy. But literacy does not a language make, not even a significant part of it. Your arguement for the book ignores the 99% of human social evolution that was devoid of text and our own evolved means of learning language through speaking / listening and WITHOUT a book.
This is the quickest way, but unfortunately not the easiest way given;
a) our ingrained notions of what it is to be a teacher
b) the courage needed to let go and really allow students to learn cooperatively and socially
c) the class sizes which are against the above.
Hagwons I will admit, becuase of lower class sizes and a communicative/talking focus do, do a better job than public schools when it comes to student learning. But many also do a piss poor job when they follow a book and there is no guidance or knowledge of how to use the book as only one tool in learning a language. So it is 50-50.
Just don't think language learning is a book. See my blog on my site, discussing this. I'll be putting up a part 2 to it, this week.
DD
PS. I do think that more downtime leads to BETTER teaching, irregardless of all else. Just a fact of life and bravo if those in the p.s. system have more down time. They can become and be better teachers. |
Oh for fk sakes! "Language isn't only learned from a book blah, blah, blah. Check out my disorganized website where you need a magic decoder ring to figure out what's what."
Quit trying to think you're teaching me. Little conceited, are we? I'm not looking for advice from you. Did I ask you? No. And I'll never check out your website again. It's useless to me.
Of course it's not all from the book. Get real. There should be a good enough book to guide the students. Then it all goes from there and how good a teacher you are or can be. You put the book away and use what they've learned. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. |
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