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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject: Study: Americans Don't Understand Others Reply with quote

Study: Americans Don't Understand Others
Corey Binns
Special to LiveScience
LiveScience.com
Wed Jul 18, 10:05 AM ET


Rugged American individualism could hinder our ability to understand other peoples' point of view, a new study suggests.

And in contrast, the researchers found that Chinese are more skilled at understanding other people's perspectives, possibly because they live in a more "collectivist" society.


"This cultural difference affects the way we communicate," said study co-author and cognitive psychologist Boaz Keysar of the University of Chicago.


Simple study

The study, though oversimplified compared to real life, was instructive. Keysar and his colleagues arranged two blocks on a table so participants could see both. However, a piece of cardboard obstructed the view of one block so a "director," sitting across from the participant, could only see one block.


When the director asked 20 American participants (none of Asian descent) to move a block, most were confused as to which block to move and did not take into account the director's perspective. Even though they could have deduced that, from the director's seat, only one block was on the table.


Most of the 20 Chinese participants, however, were not confused by the hidden block and knew exactly which block the director was referring to. While following directions was relatively simple for the Chinese, it took Americans twice as long to move a block.


"That strong, egocentric communication of Westerners was nonexistent when we looked at Chinese," Keysar said. "The Chinese were very much able to put themselves in the shoes of another when they were communicating."

The results are detailed in the July issue of the journal Psychological Science.


Collectivist societies, such as the Chinese, place more value on the needs of the group and less on the autonomy of the individual. In these societies, understanding other peoples' experiences is a more critical social skill than it is among typically more individualist Americans.


Gross oversimplification

"Of course, these are very gross oversimplifications," said Keysar. "Even in America, you can find collectivist societies. For example, working class people tend to be much more collective."


Culture appears to direct our eyes to read others' emotions, too.


Psychologists at Hokkaido University in Japan have found that Japanese gaze at the shape of a person's eyes, while Americans focus on the mouth. When people from the two cultures interact, these crisscrossed sightlines can lead to miscommunication.


"We all know people from different cultures are different. This is not new. But what research is now showing is how they're different and what are the implications," Keysar told LiveScience. "If we are aware of how we think differently, this can go a long way toward not allowing these differences to get in the way of reaching mutual understanding."

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Kuros



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I IMed this story to a friend of mine in Beijing who works alongside Americans, Australians, and French as well as fellow Chinese on a daily basis.

She wrote:
The thing is that we are perceptive, but we can't work together well unless we are working under Western culture, especially American's


I wrote:
why is that?


She wrote:
Asian likes to show the individual power and ability, we are not likely to work together with others, Asian is easy to be jealous and afraid others may be better than us. Look at your students in Korean, the parents sent their kids because they are afraid their kids won't be as good as other who went to private institute.


But she is a bit of an Americophile.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Each culture is its own disadvantages. Americans make up for theirs by other skills which asians totally lack. Independent thinking and ingenuity for one.
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Tony_Balony



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand this "experiment". Does scientific proof shows that Americans are fat and stupid and Chinese people are racially superior and then when fat stupid Westerns talk to people, they focus on the other speaker's bosom, if they have any.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alyallen:

Really desperate to try to score an anti-American point, aren't you?

Brits have the least effective foreign language education in Western Europe. Does that make them myopic too?

Generalizing from isolated studies is of dubious value. Canadians are more individualistic than Chinese, too. So what does that say about them?
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
Alyallen:

Really desperate to try to score an anti-American point, aren't you?

Brits have the least effective foreign language education in Western Europe. Does that make them myopic too?

Generalizing from isolated studies is of dubious value. Canadians are more individualistic than Chinese, too. So what does that say about them?


Hahaha....I knew someone would be bound to bring up my evil plan to make an anti-American point. I was going to write a disclaimer but I thought, "Nah, no one could be that simple and would look at this little article and think that I am being Anti-American." Silly me, this is the Current Events forum, where men are men and must wear out their cap lock key Rolling Eyes

As an American, I can say this Arrow HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The article is somewhat pertinent because they applied their findings to "Westerners" in general. And I do believe that the majority of Dave members happen to be.....wait for it.....wait for it..........."Westerners."


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most human beings and peoples and cultures do not understand Others. Most human beings and peoples and cultures suffer from ethnocentrism, even racism in many cases.

Singling out Americans for this is not any more helpful than it would be if you singled out the evening of 15 December and pointed out with much fanfare -- claiming to have discovered something -- that it got dark after the sun went down.

We know that people have a hard time understanding Others, OP. And we also know that it gets dark at night, too. Why should it be any different in America?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:

Most human beings and peoples and cultures do not understand Others. Most human beings and peoples and cultures suffer from ethnocentrism, even racism in many cases.


racism is the easy first resort of the stupid.

In every culture there are also intelligent people who are fairly easily able to see around culture differences and put themselves in the other peoples place.

Unfortunately both america and korea have a ready supply of small minded tw*ts that cannot think outside the box and do massive damage to their nations reputation by being the a$$holes that they are.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't understand any of you.

Is that because I am an American?

Phew!!!... glad to finally clear all of that up.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't understand because they are wicked and nasty, like Gopher, fora example. Razz


Alyallen wrote:


Silly me, this is the Current Events forum, where men are men and usel wear out their cap lock key Rolling Eyes



<chuckles>
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The study is an interesting one. However, the author's interpretation sounds like an aging hippie romanticizing supposedly less-materialistic and communitarian "eastern cultures" that he's only ever heard about on public television.

Quote:
Rugged American individualism could hinder our ability to understand other peoples' point of view, a new study suggests.


The results could just as easily be spun as "Americans more likely to try to determine the speaker's exact meaning."

From what I would surmise from this study, in China it is probably assumed that when someone speaks about one particular object in a set, he is referring to the one nearest to him. This strikes me as more of a difference in linguistic convention than anything else. If all the objects were the same dsitance from him, he would have no choice but to verbally indicate which one he is referring to.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Allyallen...

I'm getting major sidescroll on this thread, I think from your url. Maybe give tinyurl a try?

www.tinyurl.com
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Correction for the OP:

Most human beings and peoples and cultures do not understand Others. Most human beings and peoples and cultures suffer from ethnocentrism, even racism in many cases.

America (and Western Europe, for that matter) is certainly not exceptional, even if we have made much progress that many others have not: human rights movements, civil rights movements, ethnohistoriography, postcolonialism, and postmodernism in general, for example.

OP seems trapped in a muckraking, U.S.-centric frame-of-mind. Seems to find fault exclusively with America -- almost as if we invented the "failure-to-understand-Others" problem. This is hardly the case at all. I also remind OP that ours, unlike many others worldwide, is a multicultural environment.


For the love of Satan Rolling Eyes

I did not form the hypothesis, conduct the experiment or write up the results. So please spare me from your trite and quite frankly pathetic attempts to label me Arrow An American....anti-American or on some sort of strange fault finding mission. It is an article. That I did not write. That I thought would be of interest to members on this board. My mistake. Next time, I'll be sure to put up an article saying "AMERICA: #1 at EVERYTHING. EVERYONE IS HAPPY AND UNDERSTANDS EACH OTHER 100%!" OK Rolling Eyes
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
And Allyallen...

I'm getting major sidescroll on this thread, I think from your url. Maybe give tinyurl a try?

www.tinyurl.com


Since you asked nicely....

Done!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to get into the larger argument here- I'm an American and am having a hard time understanding your various perspectives. Cool

But one thing I have found disconcerting and sometimes amusing in Korea is that Koreans often think they understand you, have "read your face", etc. only to have no idea what is going on with you. I have been offered water, told I must be ill, because I am pale(!) and numerous other mis-interpretations of my subjective self.

Facial expressions and body language vary cross-culturally, and this can make for some amusing misunderstandings.
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