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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| yeah, too expensive and you are still getting low grade memory (pc3200??) wow. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| yeah, too expensive and you are still getting low grade memory (pc3200??) wow. |
Speed is no indication of quality. There is some PC3200 RAM there with 2-2-2-5 timings....not bad at all. Its expensive, but those are tight timings. |
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chevro1et
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Location: Busan, ROK
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| ddr ram has been getting more and more expensive over the past year or so, as it is getting scarce... oh, and that Corsair TwinX ram is top notch quality, would run in the same pack as OCZ Plats or anything else in that league. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| cubanlord wrote: |
| yeah, too expensive and you are still getting low grade memory (pc3200??) wow. |
Speed is no indication of quality. There is some PC3200 RAM there with 2-2-2-5 timings....not bad at all. Its expensive, but those are tight timings. |
demo,
run a pc3200 computer against my corsair memory. There is a difference when the computer goes under load (e.g. graphically intensive games). Sure you can get memory at those timings, but, as you said, it is expensive and for that price, you can go higher (if your motherboard allows it). Of course speed is no indication of quality, however, speed and stability is what we look for. Therefore, it factors into our price. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| cubanlord wrote: |
| Demophobe wrote: |
| cubanlord wrote: |
| yeah, too expensive and you are still getting low grade memory (pc3200??) wow. |
Speed is no indication of quality. There is some PC3200 RAM there with 2-2-2-5 timings....not bad at all. Its expensive, but those are tight timings. |
demo,
run a pc3200 computer against my corsair memory. There is a difference when the computer goes under load (e.g. graphically intensive games). Sure you can get memory at those timings, but, as you said, it is expensive and for that price, you can go higher (if your motherboard allows it). Of course speed is no indication of quality, however, speed and stability is what we look for. Therefore, it factors into our price. |
CL, I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.
Run a PC3200 computer against your Corsair memory? Well, if it's apples to apples, fine. Otherwise, why would I do that? PC3200 is what it is; there will be inferior and superior makes of that speed. If you have a PC3200 machine, then I will run a PC3200 machine with the RAM I linked to in it and it will rock. For a PC3200 machine, of course.
If you are suggesting to run a PC3200 machine against a higher spec RAM, that is of no use. Of course faster RAM will be....faster. A very predictable endeavor, and as such, a waste of time.
The discussion is about PC3200 spec RAM specifically. Your first reply stated that PC3200 is "low-grade" RAM, which is not the case at all. Perhaps we are having semantic difficulties here, but I showed you some very high-grade PC3200 RAM.
Now, going over-spec on RAM is all fine, I did that myself on my current comp for O/C purposes, but at stock speeds, there is no reason at all to go over spec on RAM. Higher speeds mean nothing to a stock speed CPU, and are irrelevant unless overclocking. Since there was no mention of that in the OP, we can assume that is not their intention. In fact, with DDR, as clock speeds rise, timings become worse and worse. So, buying a lower clocked RAM would be more likely a tighter-timed RAM, which would translate to faster at stock speeds.
So, looking specifically at PC3200 RAM, corsair make a fine product, with a premium price tag. It's DDR1 RAM, so getting a different - higher - speed (probably a higher price, unless you are getting a lower quality memory) is a bit silly; why pay more for a very dated machine?
Now, is the difference between "low-grade" RAM, or RAM that is nearing the very end of it's lifespan, and therefore perceived as somewhat irrelevant (so it should be 'cheap')? Very different discussions. Old RAM maintains itself as being high grade, despite its age.
Bottom line: age has noting to do with grade. Call me pedantic. That kind of logic scares me; does it apply to people as well? Are older people lower-grade? They may work a bit slower, but.... 
BTW...who is "our" in the "our price" factoring? Also, don't lose any sleep over my hardware education.  |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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lol. dude. I need to stop coming on here right when i wake up (this is like my morning coffee..lol).
My point could have been made in one sentence and here is that sentence:
Why pay such a large price for PC3200 ram (corsair) when you can get faster ram for the same price (being equal in quality of course i.e. same maker)?  |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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I have 2GB Corsair DDR400 PC3200 Ram for sale.
512MB X 4 sticks.
40,000 won for 2X512mb = 1GB
80,000 won for all 4 sticks. I want to sell them in pairs. Let me know if you are interested. I can ship it to you if you pay for the shipping costs. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Why pay such a large price for PC3200 ram (corsair) when you can get faster ram for the same price (being equal in quality of course i.e. same maker)? |
I must be drugged 'cause I still don't get it.
So what you are saying is, one can get faster corsair RAM than PC3200 for the same price?
I know you know that P4 systems will make no use of anything past DDR400 @ stock speeds. It would seem that is the speed the OP is looking for, so why are we talking about a faster (higher spec than DDR400) RAM at all?
I am sure not trying to wind you up here friend, but I honestly can't see any reason to exceed PC3200 for the OP, regardless of the price. If he can get a faster spec RAM (PC3500, like me), unless he is overclocking, it will be of absolutely no use at all.
Sure, if you want to, go for it, but as I said before, very often with DDR1, as clock speeds increase, latencies rise. Its a trade off, sometimes not in favor of the higher clock. (Again, at stock speeds). So, the Corsair PC3200 with 2-2-2-5 timings will be theoretically (yes, theoretically; real world is negligible) faster than PC3500 with 2.5 (3)-3-3-8 timings. The price may be the same, and the higher-spec RAM looks more attractive, but it will be slower @ stock.
OP...for PC3200, get the middle of the road. It's a throwaway buy; any upgrade from this point on will not involve DDR1 RAM. I need another GB in my aging P4 setup too, but it's like burning money. A total waste, what with an upgrade in sight (yeah, far away, but that's cool), it makes more sense to wait it out with the GB I have than to put another won into this one.
Blrgh....long on words, short on things to say.... |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Like Demophobe said, there is still demand out there for DDR1 Ram. Some people don't want to drop the hundreds of dollars to change platforms. You gotta buy a new mobo, new processor AND the new RAM.
A lot of people are still rocking P4's or AMD XP's. Those PC's are probably just used to surf the internet, check e-mail, and Word/Excel/Powerpoint. Mostly, a lot of those people only have the 256mb or 512mb of PC3200 RAM that came with their computer.
I bet you the vast majority of computers right now use DDR1 RAM. Average person doesn't buy new computers every 2 years to stay ahead of the curve. They buy one when the old one is too slow, or the old one has broken. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Like Demophobe said, there is still demand out there for DDR1 Ram. Some people don't want to drop the hundreds of dollars to change platforms. You gotta buy a new mobo, new processor AND the new RAM.
A lot of people are still rocking P4's or AMD XP's. Those PC's are probably just used to surf the internet, check e-mail, and Word/Excel/Powerpoint. Mostly, a lot of those people only have the 256mb or 512mb of PC3200 RAM that came with their computer.
I bet you the vast majority of computers right now use DDR1 RAM. Average person doesn't buy new computers every 2 years to stay ahead of the curve. They buy one when the old one is too slow, or the old one has broken. |
While this is all well and true, (and a nice plug for your RAM, which I would love to have, BTW) CLs point is that one can buy a higher spec RAM for a P4 system for the same money.
Many mainboards support speeds in excess of PC3200 for the Northwood platform. My point was that as specs rise, latencies do as well, and that if one is all stock, it makes no sense to go above PC3200 anyhow.
At least I think that's how it all played out.  |
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SeoulFinn
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Location: 1h from Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| CL, I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. |
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| I must be drugged 'cause I still don't get it. |
Demo, I'm in the same boat with you.  But your explanations were good and covered many aspects.
Spliff, I don't know which motherboard you have, but if it's one of these (LINK), you can choose between DDR and DDR2 memory modules. Sorry that the page is old, but I just didn't feel like digging through the Internet. Anyway, I doubt that you have DDR/DDR2 capable motherboard. Just get generic (el cheappo) DDR and you'll be golden.
EDIT: An addition to the list of DDR/DDR2 capable mobos. ASRock 775Dual-VSTA |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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lol . ALright, I am back. Let's see if I can clear up my sh!t:
If your motherboard can support up to pc6400, then why buy pc3200 in Korea when you can get pc6400 for less from another place (e.g. tiger direct or other distributors out there)? That was my point. You might as well go with the more current ram if your motherboard can take it. You'll make out better in the long run. Hope this helps. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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lol . ALright, I am back. Let's see if I can clear up my *beep*:
If your motherboard can support up to pc6400, then why buy pc3200 in Korea when you can get pc6400 for less from another place (e.g. tiger direct or other distributors out there)? That was my point. You might as well go with the more current ram if your motherboard can take it. You'll make out better in the long run. Hope this helps. |
I doubt a person looking for PC3200 RAM has a mainboard that will house PC6400. I mean...a Northwood P4 is probably using an 875 chipset, which will not do DDR2...
However, fundamentally, I agree with you CL. Makes sense. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
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