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boyne11



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: EPIK says "no teechee no payee" during summer vaca Reply with quote

Some EPIK schools are telling their FTs that if they aren't teaching they aren't getting paid during summer vacation.

http://forum.koredinco.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=86
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, you got 2 extreme's.

Case 1: No teaching, no paycheck.
Case 2: Since you ARE getting paid, they are going to work you like a dog all summer

I would LOVE to find a school that offered to pay me extra for summer camps. Instead, I'm stuck at one that will work my every single day.
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hubba bubba



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just about decided that working at a good hagwon is better than an average public school. The keyword is good.

So much extra aggravation at a public school.
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boyne11



Joined: 08 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
So, you got 2 extreme's.

Case 1: No teaching, no paycheck.
Case 2: Since you ARE getting paid, they are going to work you like a dog all summer

I would LOVE to find a school that offered to pay me extra for summer camps. Instead, I'm stuck at one that will work my every single day.


You said you have F visa right?

So what's your worry? If they are not treating you well and screwing you in anyway, since you have 15 days of sick days, take them, get paid and quit your job. You can find a new job (even public school job) with ease.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not EPIK, but in Seoul public schools, you get paid no matter what. No school? Paid. Not teaching? Paid. It's the way the contract works. Unless your contract says different, take them to the labor board.
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oldfatfarang



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some public schools DO pay extra for summer camp teaching.

For example, SMOE's BENEFITS include:

- 72,000 won extra a day (taxed).
- an extra 5 days PAID holidays (for working camp)
- free camp food (yumm).


But, as always in Korea, there's many COSTS:

- Compulsory 24 hour attendance, 7 days a week, for 3 weeks.

- Split shifts, 10 hour days,

- Compulsory saturday & sunday 'babysitting' activities and outings.

- Teachers lose 4 days (2 weekends).

- NO overtime paid for attending/working 24 hours on saturday or sunday (just the regular 72,000 won extra a day).

- Utilities Costs: while at camp some teachers will pay 62,000 won for utitilities they'll not use while they're at camp (courtesy of their school locking them into a compuslory management/utilities contract).

- SHARED dorm accommodation.

- And all this, on top of having to eat crappy camp food for 3 weeks (with no beer allowed).

So a cost/benefit analysis shows SMOE camps are a rip off. Teachers who signed an employment contract for 12 months are, in effect, having their working conditions/salary drastically reduced for 1 & 1/2 months of their 1 year contract. Way to go SMOE. That'll keep em onboard.
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Tony_Balony



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]
I've just about decided that working at a good hagwon is better than an average public school. The keyword is good.

So much extra aggravation at a public school.
[quote]

Ah! You have become enlightened. You have dharma. Congratulations.


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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldfatfarang wrote:
Some public schools DO pay extra for summer camp teaching.

For example, SMOE's BENEFITS include:

- 72,000 won extra a day (taxed).
- an extra 5 days PAID holidays (for working camp)
- free camp food (yumm).


But, as always in Korea, there's many COSTS:

- Compulsory 24 hour attendance, 7 days a week, for 3 weeks.

- Split shifts, 10 hour days,

- Compulsory saturday & sunday 'babysitting' activities and outings.

- Teachers lose 4 days (2 weekends).

- NO overtime paid for attending/working 24 hours on saturday or sunday (just the regular 72,000 won extra a day).

- Utilities Costs: while at camp some teachers will pay 62,000 won for utitilities they'll not use while they're at camp (courtesy of their school locking them into a compuslory management/utilities contract).

- SHARED dorm accommodation.

- And all this, on top of having to eat crappy camp food for 3 weeks (with no beer allowed).

So a cost/benefit analysis shows SMOE camps are a rip off. Teachers who signed an employment contract for 12 months are, in effect, having their working conditions/salary drastically reduced for 1 & 1/2 months of their 1 year contract. Way to go SMOE. That'll keep em onboard.


Jebus tap dancing crack pipe!

That's dreadful! I only have to work an 8 day camp 9-4 and I get 3 weeks vacation AND I get paid extra. Yeah....I like my school right now...
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldfatfarang wrote:
Some public schools DO pay extra for summer camp teaching.

For example, SMOE's BENEFITS include:

- 72,000 won extra a day (taxed).
- an extra 5 days PAID holidays (for working camp)
- free camp food (yumm).


But, as always in Korea, there's many COSTS:

- Compulsory 24 hour attendance, 7 days a week, for 3 weeks.

- Split shifts, 10 hour days,

- Compulsory saturday & sunday 'babysitting' activities and outings.

- Teachers lose 4 days (2 weekends).

- NO overtime paid for attending/working 24 hours on saturday or sunday (just the regular 72,000 won extra a day).

- Utilities Costs: while at camp some teachers will pay 62,000 won for utitilities they'll not use while they're at camp (courtesy of their school locking them into a compuslory management/utilities contract).

- SHARED dorm accommodation.

- And all this, on top of having to eat crappy camp food for 3 weeks (with no beer allowed).

So a cost/benefit analysis shows SMOE camps are a rip off. Teachers who signed an employment contract for 12 months are, in effect, having their working conditions/salary drastically reduced for 1 & 1/2 months of their 1 year contract. Way to go SMOE. That'll keep em onboard.


Clarification needed? I think the OP is saying EPIK will give NO money if a teacher doesn't teach. It's not about a camp. If no students are there for 30 days and the teacher doesn't teach, then the teacher won't get paid. If that's the case, that's probably breaking the contract and illegal.


I agree with you about SMOE camps.

I'm curious about the no beer allowed. What about in rooms after student curfew? And how easy is it to get away at night and taxi to the nearest pub or GS 25?
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boyne11



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
Clarification needed? I think the OP is saying EPIK will give NO money if a teacher doesn't teach. It's not about a camp. If no students are there for 30 days and the teacher doesn't teach, then the teacher won't get paid. If that's the case, that's probably breaking the contract and illegal.




Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

I know some schools don't have or require summer camps and they have FTs idling during summer/winter vacation. In this case, some EPIK schools are telling FTs that "no teechee no payee" during vacation months.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:37 pm    Post subject: Control... Reply with quote

Administrators seem to take many liberties with the money that is to be spent on the native English teacher...I knew of a guy who's admin took about 10 mil of the teacher's program money from the English budget and pocketed it discreetly so he could fund some other school projects and have some nice parties for himself and other teachers, but when the teacher needed anything they had to literally beg because the money just wasn't there in the budget...

The educational board caught on to what the guy was doing, so anytime the school needed or wanted to make an improvement to the English department, they would only receive money once they could show receipts for the work actually being done for the benefit of the English department...

I wonder how many parties will be thrown this summer off of the money the schools are holding back from the native English teachers...
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: EPIK says "no teechee no payee" during summer Reply with quote

boyne11 wrote:
Some EPIK schools are telling their FTs that if they aren't teaching they aren't getting paid during summer vacation.

http://forum.koredinco.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=86


It is a violation of the contract and of labor law.

Take it to the labor board. 1350 extension 7.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldfatfarang wrote:
Some public schools DO pay extra for summer camp teaching.

For example, SMOE's BENEFITS include:

- 72,000 won extra a day (taxed).
- an extra 5 days PAID holidays (for working camp)
- free camp food (yumm).


But, as always in Korea, there's many COSTS:

- Compulsory 24 hour attendance, 7 days a week, for 3 weeks.

- Split shifts, 10 hour days,

- Compulsory saturday & sunday 'babysitting' activities and outings.

- Teachers lose 4 days (2 weekends).

- NO overtime paid for attending/working 24 hours on saturday or sunday (just the regular 72,000 won extra a day).

- Utilities Costs: while at camp some teachers will pay 62,000 won for utitilities they'll not use while they're at camp (courtesy of their school locking them into a compuslory management/utilities contract).

- SHARED dorm accommodation.

- And all this, on top of having to eat crappy camp food for 3 weeks (with no beer allowed).

So a cost/benefit analysis shows SMOE camps are a rip off. Teachers who signed an employment contract for 12 months are, in effect, having their working conditions/salary drastically reduced for 1 & 1/2 months of their 1 year contract. Way to go SMOE. That'll keep em onboard.



I forgot 3 more beauties in the SMOE camp contract:

- No sick leave provisions.
- No pay if you resign during the camp (for any work or attendance).
There's no mention of pro-rata payment if they fire you, either.
- NO extra payment/holidays for working on a National Holiday (except the generous 72,000 won given for each camp day). So in effect, teachers aren't paid for working a national holiday.

Unbelievable!
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boyne11



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what EPIK schools will cook up next. It's always amusing to hear these supid people make up their own BS based on their BS interpretation of contract/law/regulation/etc...... Rolling Eyes
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SMOE still better than GEPIK.

GEPIK:

Camp 20 hours / week maximum.
no limitations on days.
no additional pay
no extra vacation

Thank you GEPIK. I hope every teacher leaves GEPIK for a better gig.
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