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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Location: Hwaseong City
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: Being An Individual |
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I was given a week's notice that the teachers in my school were going on a 3 day trip over this coming weekend. Unfortunately, I had already made plans that I couldn't get out of so I had to politely decline. I was told by my co-teacher that I "really should go" as my contract is up next month and I'm going back to Canada. They want to make some more "good memories" with me before I go. I've been at this school for 2 years. In my own defence, I've been to nearly all the teachers functions in my 2 years here. Anyway, I was not a very popular person among the staff this week. I could definitely sense a lot of bad vibes towards me. I have no doubt that the Korean teachers have known about this trip for a month (at least). As always, they let me know at the last minute. All in all, it's been a pretty good couple of years here and I've done a good job. It just saddens me that they can behave this way just because I won't change everything at the last minute to accomodate them. Oh well, when I leave, I'll just try and remember the good stuff and forget about this crap. |
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rhinocharge64
Joined: 20 Sep 2006
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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For the sake of international relations go. Don't marr the memories. However, it's your choice, and I'm not you and you are not me. How is the 'vibal action'? |
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JJJ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Same thing happened to me last fall. Facultly camping trip on a Friday, Saturday, Sunday and they tell me at 4:30pm on Thursday. I already had plans for the weekend, told them so and said thanks for telling me at the last min. ... again. Had to show up on Friday, the janitor made sure I showed up, slept, read a book, browsed Dave's, slept some more and went home. Kinda put a bitter taste in my mouth that hasn't sweetened yet. Just one of many little things that help me decide not to re-sign with them.
Have a nice relaxing weekend and soon you and I will be on a patio somewhere in Canada having a beer and laughing all about this. |
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genezorm

Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Location: Mokpo
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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many korean people are members of that last minute club
i.e. after informing my of the vacation days for winter vacation, me booking a ticket which was extremely difficult because it was vacation season, and then 2 weeks before saying the schedule was changed
or....as i am leaving school.....i am informed there is a dinner party i must attend (oblivious to the fact that i may have plans)
or....not bothering to mention when the school schedule has changed, or when there are exams.... |
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nobbyken

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Location: Yongin ^^
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Our teachers are going out for a meal on the last Saturday.
This is their last day as they have no classes till next semester.
I was invited, but I shook my head politely, as I will need my weekly day of relaxation (my wife would not be happy either!).
Socialising and eating is so out of prespective.
Especially when you have a life outside of school hours.
Yesterday, the parents organised food at 3pm, only 2 hours after finishing lunch. People worried that I was starving (I am 82kg!), and brought me an ice lolly and fruit.
The male teachers are going for a meal and billiards on Monday after school, but that I will be doing.  |
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kat2

Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Location: Busan, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, I said no to the faculty "fieldtrip" and dinner on Saturday, the last day of school as well. My weekends are sacred and being able to hole up in my house on Saturday gets me through the week. No way do I want to be the one waygook with 60 Korean teachers/staff on an all day fieldtrip and dinner/binge drinking party. They weren't pleased, but I really could care less. |
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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Location: Hwaseong City
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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JJJ wrote: |
Same thing happened to me last fall. Facultly camping trip on a Friday, Saturday, Sunday and they tell me at 4:30pm on Thursday. I already had plans for the weekend, told them so and said thanks for telling me at the last min. ... again. Had to show up on Friday, the janitor made sure I showed up, slept, read a book, browsed Dave's, slept some more and went home. Kinda put a bitter taste in my mouth that hasn't sweetened yet. Just one of many little things that help me decide not to re-sign with them.
Have a nice relaxing weekend and soon you and I will be on a patio somewhere in Canada having a beer and laughing all about this. |
It's funny you mentioned having to come in anyway. All classes were cancelled today due to tests this morning and the teachers leaving at 1:00. I've been sitting here all day trying to keep myself occupied. When they left, they didn't even say I could leave early. So, I'm also sitting in this lonely school with one admin officer and the janitor. I guess this is punishment for not going . I find it unfortunate that they don't try and understand our way of thinking. We don't come from a society where "the group" is everything. I know that we're the visitors here and we need to try and adapt. I just wish they would be a little more open minded. Anyway, JJJ, you're right.......I'll be drinking (hallelujah!) great Canadian beer on a patio soon. God, how I've missed Canadian beer!! |
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seoulsteve

Joined: 03 Jul 2007
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: Being An Individual |
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Doogie wrote: |
I have no doubt that the Korean teachers have known about this trip for a month (at least). |
These kinds of trips are pretty standard for pretty much any job in Korea, they're usually pretty fun but they're also important occasions for the company/school. It's even more important in your situation because it doubles as a sort of going away party for you as well. You can't blame them for being bummed that you have more important things to do. I skipped my schools big trip last year too, and every teacher I saw asked why. I told them my girlfriend wouldn't let me. They couldn't argue with that! Anyway, they gave me a big box of those tiny little anchovy (sp?) fish! When they got back from the trip. |
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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Location: Hwaseong City
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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kat2 wrote: |
Yep, I said no to the faculty "fieldtrip" and dinner on Saturday, the last day of school as well. My weekends are sacred and being able to hole up in my house on Saturday gets me through the week. No way do I want to be the one waygook with 60 Korean teachers/staff on an all day fieldtrip and dinner/binge drinking party. They weren't pleased, but I really could care less. |
Exactly. Even if I didn't have plans, I would've had second thoughts. There are only 3 teachers in my whole school that can speak English. 3 days is a long time to spend with people you can't even communicate with. |
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alinkorea
Joined: 02 May 2005
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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I'm all for adapting to new cultures, but sometimes Koreans should realise we have our own culture too. My school can't understand why I don't want to go for after school dinners and drinking, or weekends away (because these meetings are painfully dull). I don't mind socializing with co-workers I like, but not all teachers en mass. |
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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Location: Hwaseong City
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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alinkorea wrote: |
I'm all for adapting to new cultures, but sometimes Koreans should realise we have our own culture too. My school can't understand why I don't want to go for after school dinners and drinking, or weekends away (because these meetings are painfully dull). I don't mind socializing with co-workers I like, but not all teachers en mass. |
I've never been a big fan of the dinners either but, as I said, I've made a conscience effort to attend nearly all of them over the past 2 years. I did that because I knew it was important to them. I even became a member of the "soju club" by drinking copious amounts of the stuff because you're "one of them" here if you do. I guess that's why I'm a little disappointed about the reaction this week. I've made a hell of an effort in my time here to have them be pissed about this one trip. |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: where creditors can find me
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I have the same thing this weekend with my coworkers. Luckily, most of the women in my office aren't going, so I didn't have any problems backing out. I just have little interest in either being bored out of my mind, fielding the "Oh, you can eat spicy food, wow!" for the umpteenth time on the trip, or staying up all night listening to crappy music and being forced to drink skunky beer and soju until everybody barfs. |
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kat2

Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Location: Busan, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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I hate when they pull the "but this is cultural difference" bit. Oh, really, so I can wear shoes in the school and your house no problem then? I can say "hey whatsup" to the prinicpal then too?
For both Koreans and Foreigners tehre are things we let slide or adapt to. But for both cultures there are big things that simply can't be let go of that easily.
For most foreigners, the sacredness ofa contract and our private time is one of those that we don't let anything slide on. |
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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Location: Hwaseong City
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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kat2 wrote: |
I hate when they pull the "but this is cultural difference" bit. Oh, really, so I can wear shoes in the school and your house no problem then? I can say "hey whatsup" to the prinicpal then too?
For both Koreans and Foreigners tehre are things we let slide or adapt to. But for both cultures there are big things that simply can't be let go of that easily.
For most foreigners, the sacredness ofa contract and our private time is one of those that we don't let anything slide on. |
They don't believe in private time, though. They think that if you want to spend time alone, then you must be sad or sick. In my old career in Canada, I loved closing my office door and eating lunch alone just to take a breather and quiet my mind. There have been some days where I tried bringing my lunch from home and eating at my desk. Man, they made such a huge deal out of it. I'd have a number of teachers come up to me after and say,"Why didn't you join us?...are you sad? are you sick?". Anyway, it was no biggie. I stopped doing it at all because I realized it bothered them. I guess that's my whole point on this topic.......they really don't seem to realize or understand the concessions that we make on a regular and daily basis. Perhaps if they did, then they would be more understanding on issues like this. |
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BuHaoChi
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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