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cbclark4
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 Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: Maliki calls for US withdrawal !! |
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Iraq PM says US forces can leave
Iraq's prime minister has cast off US doubts over his government's military and political progress, saying Iraqi forces are capable and US troops can leave "any time they want".
Nuri al-Maliki's comments came on Saturday, after one of his aids accused US forces of committing human rights violations and arming "gangs of killers".
At a time when pressure is mounting in the US for George Bush, the US president, to withdraw American troops from Iraq, al-Maliki has said his administration needs "time and effort" to enact the political reforms called for by Washington.
"Particularly since the political process is facing security, economic and services pressures, as well as regional and international interference," said al-Maliki.
But he said if necessary, Iraqi police and soldiers could fill the void left by the departure of coalition forces.
"We say in full confidence that we are able, God willing, to take the responsibility completely in running the security file if the international forces withdraw at any time they want," he said.
Meanwhile, Hassan al-Suneid, a member of parliament, told The Associated Press on Saturday that al-Maliki has problems with General David Petraeus, the chief US commander in Iraq.
He said US troops have embarrassed the Iraqi government and that General Petraeus was working along a "purely American vision".
Al-Suneid said the US military strategy is to "arm whoever is against al-Qaeda at a time when there are gangs against al-Qaeda that kill. These are gangs of killers."
He was referring to US overtures to groups in Anbar and Diyala, encouraging former anti-government fighters to join the fight against al-Qaeda in Iraq.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/5A77F64F-54C5-4524-AC77-7F922532C06D.htm
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11980818 |
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Why would a pentagon report be contradicted by the PM of Iraq?
Does the DoD even communicate with the Iraqi Government?
Where is the State Department in all this?
Hello McFly? |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| It's way over due for the US to pull it's troops out of Iraq as it's playing out like another Vietnam war. Bush Jr. is the very worst US president. Everyone knows we need to leave it alone and cut our losses, but we won't since America needs to secure that oil supply in making the war pay off. |
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hubba bubba
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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So we've installed a "democracy" in Iraq, right? That was the big idea?
OK then, let them vote on it. If they want us to go, fine, Cya. Have fun with your civil war. If they want us to stay, everyone can just STFU about it.
There, problem solved. Don't know why nobody has done this before. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| The PM obviously doesn't know that our president is stubborn beyond belief and that we'll be adios by the end of 2009. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| sojourner1 wrote: |
| It's way over due for the US to pull it's troops out of Iraq as it's playing out like another Vietnam war. Bush Jr. is the very worst US president. Everyone knows we need to leave it alone and cut our losses, but we won't since America needs to secure that oil supply in making the war pay off. |
So you are saying the United States should not take responsibility for the effects on a country that was invaded while most of the world said "No, don't do it"? That is basically very irresponsible. No one forced the American people or government to go to Iraq. Yes, the American people can complain they were duped and so were the Congress, but people are expected to be responsible for what they know and don't know and to seek out knowledge and simply putting faith in the government makes no sense. Though I am definitely not a supporter of the Republican Party, I think the troops should stay there until more cohesive Iraqi units are operational and the Kurdish North remains stable without the need for Turkish troops to invade. You have to take into consideration the political loss for the United States and not just the loss of 4,000 soldiers.
More Americans die every year from violence in the streets then they do in Iraq. It was not prudent to go into Iraq the way it was done, but
leaving in haste would be bad for the U.S. I think the Iraqis need to
get their security picture into place within 12 months. That's how much time I would give them. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| sojourner1 wrote: |
| It's way over due for the US to pull it's troops out of Iraq as it's playing out like another Vietnam war. |
The Vietnam analogy is very strained. In Vietnam the US was trying to avoid a nuclear confrontation with China, while it was also looking over its shoulder at the Soviet threat. As such, the US never even tried to occupy North Vietnam. They merely bombed it time and again.
A better historical analogy for the Iraq war would be US adventurism in the Phillipines. Check out specifically the numbers of troops involved, as well as the casualties. Of course, Rumsfeld never treated Iraq very seriously, whereas the US took it upon itself to deal with the Philippinos very harshly. There are eerie similarities in the terminology used, and the strength of the anti-war movement in the US.
The point is that the Phillipines-American conflict was very bloody and largely unnecessary. America prevailed, but who can be proud of that war today? In order for America to prevail in Iraq, it would have to wholly betray its mission of setting up a prosperous state there. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Another good analogy might be Reagan's military aid to El Salvador in the 1980s.
I agree that Vietnam is a poor analogy. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Another good analogy might be Reagan's military aid to El Salvador in the 1980s.
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except we didn't have thousands upon thousands of soldiers there. Didn't we just have "advisors"?
Some in the military have suggested we learn from our el salvador experience and apply some of the methods we used there to Iraq. |
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