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stevemcgarrett
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 Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: FINALLY A MUSLIM LEADER CRITICIZES THE ISLAMOFASCISTS |
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Finally a Muslim leader speaks out against the insidious spread of Islamic fanaticism and he goes directly to one of its principal sources.
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Afghanistan's Karzai criticises Pakistani madrassas
(AP) Sun Jul 15, 2007
Afghan President Hamid Karzai criticised some madrassas in Pakistan for teaching violent extremism Sunday, as he forgave a teenager who said he was sent across the border to carry out a suicide attack. "Today we're facing a very regretful, painful fact," Karzai told a media conference, joined by 14-year-old Rafiq-Ullah and his father Mati-Ullah, from Pakistan's troubled Taliban-dominated South Waziristan tribal region. "A child of Islam that his father had sent to a madrassa for education was tempted by the enemies of Islam to carry out a suicide attack," he said.
"I forgive you," Karzai told the boy -- who was detained in May in eastern Khost province, where the boy said he was sent to carry out a suicide attack on the governor -- giving him 100,000 Afghani (2,000 dollars) to travel back home. Asked whether he had a message for Pakistan, the Afghan president said Kabul wanted good ties with Islamabad, a key US ally in its 'war on terror.' "The message of the Afghan people is one of kindness, the message of mercy," he said. "It's the message of having good relations, brotherly relations. "It's the message for trade and exchange," he added, "not to deceive the children of people and encourage them to carry out suicide attacks, destroying themselves, their families and other Muslims." Rebel attacks including Iraq-style suicide bombings -- once unheard in this Central Asian nation -- have over the past two years increased in Afghanistan, where US-led and NATO forces are fighting an Islamic insurgency. Some Pakistani madrassas have been accused of sponsoring religious violence, a legacy of Afghanistan's 1979-89 Soviet occupation when some seminaries, with US and Saudi funding, became training camps for Islamic holy warriors. New US intelligence reports say Pakistan has failed to contain Taliban and al-Qaeda insurgents who are hiding out in rugged areas along the border with Afghanistan. |
Of course I'm not surprised that Karzai is the first to do it in such a public way--he's well educated and moderate in his views, which puts him leagues above most Muslim leaders. The only others I would even consider putting in his league are the Malaysian president. I've always admired him for his bravery, eloquence, sensitivity, and devotion to his people. We could use a few more like him.
There is, sadly, another source of Islamic extremism--the brain trust of al-Qaeda. Those who lead it and those doctors caught planning terrorist acts in Britain recently clearly demonstrate that it will take far more than a proper Islamic education to rid the faith of those who distort it. And it gives the lie to the liberal presumption that all that is needed is anti-poverty and education campaigns in the Middle East and Southeast Asia.
The madrassahs are a logical place to start to win over hearts and minds. Those mullahs and clerics who continue to poison Muslim youth should, in my view, be held accountable, tried, and hauled off to prison. They are nothing more than dupes of the devil.
So what do you think it will take to rid Islam of this scourge? Can the coming forward of leaders like Karzai accomplish it on their own?
Or will it take a concerted effort of each Muslim society?
And what effective role, if any, can the international community play?
Personally, I think Muslim leaders need to clean their own houses. We in the West can only encourage the internal process of reform while thwarting those who would cause us harm. As I see it, this is not only a war against the West but a war on decent Muslims as well. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: |
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Finally, Stevie McGarrett starts a thread title without caps!
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.....Quit putting all your thread titles in caps jackass!!! |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:38 am Post subject: |
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Good for Karzai and he is the right man in the wrong situation......
Also worth noting he isn't the first -- stop being theatrical Stevie.
Also worth noting he vehement and almost tearful tirades against the U.S. led coalition and their terrible killing of Afghani civilians.
Glad he plays truthfully and doesn't speak out the sides of his mouth or mouth "piece".
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
Good for Karzai and he is the right man in the wrong situation......
Also worth noting he isn't the first -- stop being theatrical Stevie.
Also worth noting he vehement and almost tearful tirades against the U.S. led coalition and their terrible killing of Afghani civilians.
Glad he plays truthfully and doesn't speak out the sides of his mouth or mouth "piece".
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Steve missed the Spanish Muslims including clerics who issued a fatwa against Al Qaeda people and North American Muslims denouncing them as well. The media doesn't go out of its to report this. I have read of this, so this is not a first at all. Lots of Muslims have been condemning this.
How many Americans condemned what the sanctions against Iraq did to the Iraqis in the mid-1990s. Some did, but you just didn't see them on TV much. It didn't mean people weren't saying anything. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Karzai, one of the CIA's most useful assets. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote:
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| Also worth noting he vehement and almost tearful tirades against the U.S. led coalition and their terrible killing of Afghani civilians. |
But he hasn't called for American troops to withdraw now has he? I suppose you're naive enough to believe his government could defend itself against Taliban insurgents supported through Iranian and Pakistani back-channels.
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| How many Americans condemned what the sanctions against Iraq did to the Iraqis in the mid-1990s |
Gee, don't know. How many who live in other UN nations who voted for the sanctions did likewise? Why single us out other than to obsess? Are you equating the legal sanctions with terrorism?
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| Karzai, one of the CIA's most useful assets. |
Ah, yes, he's just a puppet with no convictions of his own. But tell me then why we allow him to lament the loss of civilian life, or is that just for appearance's sake?
And is he also the useful asset of all the NATO forces now stationed in Afghanistan?
Really, you guys are pathetic in your rebuttals. Yes, Muslim leaders are just clamoring for reform. Why, didn't you hear it in the news? Lame, very lame. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote:
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Also worth noting he vehement and almost tearful tirades against the U.S. led coalition and their terrible killing of Afghani civilians.
But he hasn't called for American troops to withdraw now has he? I suppose you're naive enough to believe his government could defend itself against Taliban insurgents supported through Iranian and Pakistani back-channels |
anytime somebody mentions any muslim wrong doing...dd has to be right there to pipe up about the American government....pathetic |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
kuros wrote:
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| Karzai, one of the CIA's most useful assets. |
Ah, yes, he's just a puppet with no convictions of his own. But tell me then why we allow him to lament the loss of civilian life, or is that just for appearance's sake?
And is he also the useful asset of all the NATO forces now stationed in Afghanistan?
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Karzai was probably one of the most useful assets in Afghanistan during the late 90s. He actually warned the US that Osama Bin Laden was calling a lot of the shots there, and that Karzai would need support to take him out.
I don't think he lacks conviction, and I think he sees his connection with the US as a way to help his country. I have no doubt that he is personally appalled by children being sent as suicide bombers. Its disgusting. Its just that its unclear how representative his words are for many Afghanis let alone other Muslims elsewhere. That is all. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:55 am Post subject: |
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postfundie:
Well, when it comes to being pathetic, ddeubel has a corner on the market.
Kuros:
O.k. I see where you're coming from now. |
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