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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:20 am    Post subject: Scandal Puts Focus on South Korean Culture Reply with quote

Scandal Puts Focus on South Korean Culture
Korea's Stem-Cell Scandal Raises Questions About
Culture That Values Speed, Craves Attention


By BURT HERMAN Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press

SEOUL, South Korea Dec 22, 2005 — Six-day work weeks from morning until night. Companies trumpeting bigger and bigger flat-screen TVs. A government that proclaims it wants to be a "hub" for everything from finance to robots. South Korea is fiercely committed to being No. 1, and doing it yesterday.

As South Korea's top scientist Hwang Woo-suk falls from his lofty perch amid a wave of allegations questioning his research, the country's competitive culture of always hurrying coupled with a healthy sense of national pride and craving for international recognition could be partly to blame.

"The Hwang Woo-suk case is a good example that in Korean society there still exists remnants of the past experience of fast growth," said Park Gil-sung, a sociology professor at Korea University. "It's a problem of our social system that desires fast results."

Hailed as the "Pride of Korea," Hwang and all of his purported breakthroughs are now being investigated by science journals and universities.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1435349&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
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bellum99



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he was a smarter man, he would have been okay. He was so arrogant and boastful. I still remember him a year ago on T.V saying Koreans are better than any western scientist because of chop sticks. The chop sticks train their hands so that they are more capable and talented than the western scientists.
He just couldn't keep his mouth shut. If he had limited his lies to even keeping up with the Western scientists he might have been okay. But no, he had to make these amazing claims that no other lab in the world was able to compete with. He just looks really pathetic and stupid.
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vlcupper



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This scandal makes me giggle like a 7 year old. Hee!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's quite amazing he tried to slide doctored research past the world's scientific community; surely he knew making the claims he did would be investigated.

Had quite a bad case of hubris as well--of the variety the Greeks warned about.
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Greekfreak



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You called?
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BigBlackEquus



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do I get the feeling that, upon hearing this news, nearly every expat in Korea (with the exception of maybe Homer) laughed or shook their head inwardly as if they knew this could happen?
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Paji eh Wong



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I said in another thread, this can only be a good thing. A Korean getting embarassed on the world stage for academic dishonesty is exactly what this country needs. Maybe then Koreans can ask some questions about why the education system here is so terrible.
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vlcupper



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paji eh Wong wrote:
Like I said in another thread, this can only be a good thing. A Korean getting embarassed on the world stage for academic dishonesty is exactly what this country needs. Maybe then Koreans can ask some questions about why the education system here is so terrible.


In an ideal world, they would, but come on. They'd just blame the foreign hagwon teachers, rally behind their "unjustly" humiliated brother, and go about their business. They're the real victims, remember.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:05 am    Post subject: Re: Scandal Puts Focus on South Korean Culture Reply with quote

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South Korea is fiercely committed to being No. 1


And they'll simply never make it. THey are far from it.

Really sounds like this article may be a cover up piece to apologize for Korea's scandalous, lie-ridden nation.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"In that kind of rush to be first, they kind of cut corners," he said.

"Sometimes the ends justify the means and things that get in the way like sticking to the rules are annoying and seen as secondary," Breen said.


Baaaaaaa hahaha.
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anyway



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What an embarrassment. I mean the guy was the toast of the town. Now he's just toast. Pitiful.

I agree with the comment that this country needs something like this to focus their attention. They need to be able to tell the sheet from the shinola. And then not step in it, too...
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bellum99



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love that he actually had a title from the president.

He was called " Supreme Scientist" in Korea. The supreme has been taken back and soon so will the scientist part.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laugh all you want, but this will set stem cell research back a few decades.
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Paji eh Wong



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vlcupper wrote:
Paji eh Wong wrote:
Like I said in another thread, this can only be a good thing. A Korean getting embarassed on the world stage for academic dishonesty is exactly what this country needs. Maybe then Koreans can ask some questions about why the education system here is so terrible.


In an ideal world, they would, but come on. They'd just blame the foreign hagwon teachers, rally behind their "unjustly" humiliated brother, and go about their business. They're the real victims, remember.


I disagree. I don't think that there is any way that Koreans with power could construe this as anything but a Korean problem. The long knives are out for Hwang and the wielders are all Korean.

I wasn't here, but I think the country went through a similar period after that mall collapsed in '95.

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Laugh all you want, but this will set stem cell research back a few decades.


I'm going to assume you mean socially. Scientifically, Hwang was full of shit, so the field wasn't actually propelled anywhere anyways.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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vlcupper wrote:
Paji eh Wong wrote:
Like I said in another thread, this can only be a good thing. A Korean getting embarassed on the world stage for academic dishonesty is exactly what this country needs. Maybe then Koreans can ask some questions about why the education system here is so terrible.


In an ideal world, they would, but come on. They'd just blame the foreign hagwon teachers, rally behind their "unjustly" humiliated brother, and go about their business. They're the real victims, remember.


I disagree. I don't think that there is any way that Koreans with power could construe this as anything but a Korean problem. The long knives are out for Hwang and the wielders are all Korean.


I agree with Paji. If there was gonna be a huge nationalist backlash, it would've happened already. But the facts are:

1. Hwang was originally exposed by a Korean TV show.

2. Hwang has admitted that he is a liar.

3. It was an American scientific journal that endorsed Hwang, whick kinda throws cold water on the old "Americans are out to get us" schtick.

4. Bush and Company are openly hotile to stem cell research, so it defies plausibility that they would conspire to beat Korea in the stem cell research department.

So as it stands, I don't see that you've got the raw material for another nationalist psychodrama here.
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