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thepeel
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 Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: Muslims declare sovereignty over U.S., UK |
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In the UK!
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Across town from the site of the recent attempted car-bomb attacks, several thousand Muslims gathered in front of the London Central Mosque to applaud fiery preachers prophesying the overthrow of the British government � a future vision that encompasses an Islamic takeover of the White House and the rule of the Quran over America.
"One day my dear Muslims," shouted Anjem Choudary, "Islam will govern Britain!"
Choudary was a co-founder of Al Muhajiroun, the now-banned group tied to suspects in the July 7, 2005, London transport bombings and a cheerleader of the 9/11 attacks.
"Democracy, hypocrisy," Choudary chanted as the crowd echoed him. "Tony Blair, terrorist! Tony Blair, murderer! Queen Elizabeth, go to hell!"
The Muslim leader's charge, along with interviews with protesters and a "literal foaming-at-the-mouth" diatribe by another speaker, were captured on tape June 22 by nationally syndicated talk radio host Rusty Humphries.
Humphries, who was in London with WND Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein, recorded angry Muslim leader Abu Saif, who kept his voice at a fever pitch through declarations such as: "Brothers and sisters, make no mistake. Make no mistake. The British government, the queen, the MPs in this country, they are enemies to you, enemies to Allah and enemies to the Muslims." |
fromtheuk isn't alone!
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Abu Saif spoke with disdain of Blair's appointment as a special envoy to the Middle East, issuing an apparent threat.
"Inshallah," meaning "Allah willing," he told the crowd, Blair will "go to the Middle East as an envoy, and he'll come back in a box. Inshallah. What box that is, we leave that up to you."
Humphries estimated nearly 3,000 Muslims were gathered in front of the mosque in north London June 22, after Friday prayers, to protest Queen Elizabeth's knighting of Indian author Salman Rushdie, the target of a death-sentence fatwa for "insulting" Islam's prophet Muhammad in his 1988 book "The Satanic Verses." |
And the money quote!
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| "Are we to say that Muslims can fully practice religion in America," he asked in an attempt to explain. "Say, for instance, I was a Muslim in America. Could I call for the destruction of the American government and establishment of an Islamic state in America? No. So where is the freedom of religion? There is none." |
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56503
Round them all up and deport them. Enough is enough. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Pakistanis who have those views should be stripped of their citizenship and simply deported. If they don't view themselves as British subjects then they can go and make a living in Pakistan. They should remember one thing -the British intelligence people are watching and some people in the crowd who are of your ethnicity work for them so keep talking..
What fools... |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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3000 UK Muslims who, apparently, want this to happen
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the rest of the population that don't.
I'm confident that the status quo will be maintained, albeit a little worried about the lengths that the extremists will go to, and also about the measures needed to deal with them. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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You think only 3000?
There are 1.5 million muslims in the UK. As an example, 60% of them deny the 7/7 bombings were done by muslims. 4,000 alone are being watched by the state for fear they might obey the koran and kill kuffar. 13% openly claimed to approve of the bombings, which is around 220,000 people.
It is an established fifth column. Even the police in the UK have been infiltrated. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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You think only 3000?
There are 1.5 million muslims in the UK. As an example, 60% of them deny the 7/7 bombings were done by muslims. 4,000 alone are being watched by the state for fear they might obey the koran and kill kuffar. 13% openly claimed to approve of the bombings, which is around 220,000 people.
It is an established fifth column. Even the police in the UK have been infiltrated. |
Run for the hills!
Seriously though....why bother getting upset about this *beep*.
It's just *beep* by a small, loud minority to get everyone upset.
Look up what the Black Panthers used to say in the US years ago. Same *beep*, different day.
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
3000 UK Muslims who, apparently, want this to happen
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the rest of the population that don't.
I'm confident that the status quo will be maintained, albeit a little worried about the lengths that the extremists will go to, and also about the measures needed to deal with them. |
It is not just 3,000. These were just people who were there. There is a significant percentage of the population that holds treasonous thoughts.
It doesn't mean the majority think that way, but it means the UK has to recruit Pakistani Brits to infiltrate these groups and nab them and let them know there is no quarter for these people and they can be deported.
I liked how they deported that Syrian sheikh. He deserved to go and lose his citizenship. What happened in Britain should not be a license to discriminate, but people should be very careful when dealing with immigration and immigrants. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok so the numbers are fairly high, and there may indeed be some unpleasant times ahead. But I cannot believe that the goal of creating an Islamic state in Britain will ever be achieved. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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220,000 people who support the killing of their fellow "citizens" for religious reasons is cause for a cynical "run for the hills" type reply?
Here is why this should matter to you: The grand social experiment of mass third world immigration, tolerance, multiculturalism and the rest is being brought down by muslims. Muslims are changing everything. We are a few bombings away from the mass deportation of an entire religion from some European nations. The world is changing. Keep up. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok so the numbers are fairly high, and there may indeed be some unpleasant times ahead. But I cannot believe that the goal of creating an Islamic state in Britain will ever be achieved. |
Well, as we can see this is not happening in France. The French are not under threat. It could have happened to the French if they were in Iraq. That is possible. Generally, however, the North Africans who have been fanatical are being watched by the Algerian authorities and France.
Also, the North African community tends to be more secular than the Pakistanis. They still have their problems. I don't believe an Islamic state will be created in Britain, but people who have those views should be returned to their respective countries if they insult the Queen and say she should be killed or the same for other British officials. A Nazi gets stripped of citizenship and so should religious fanatics. These threats are serious. We are talking about some of us being killed because some idiot thinks it is okay. Of course, people need to differentiate between people. People from Kossovo and Bosnja are generally not religious and people from Western Turkey are often secular. The Kurds in Iraq are far more secular than the Arabs of the country. Mass deportation of a whole people based on religion is fascist and nonsense but being more vigilant and spying more on certain communities using their own ethnic group is okay. It is for their own good and our own good. |
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ddeubel
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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You know, I'd have sympathy for some of the commentary on this thread, if and only if, the British military were home, safe and sound. Not killing Muslims every day and not spouting a lot of hateful stuff themselves.... and let's not forget Britain's own colonial legacy which endures in these minds.....
All of the extremism is fed. You'd do best to look there for answers and not stupid and very assinine stuff like, "deport them".
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khyber
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| You know, I'd have sympathy for some of the commentary on this thread, if and only if, the British military were home, safe and sound. Not killing Muslims every day and not spouting a lot of hateful stuff themselves.... |
Then perhaps they should go to the battlefields.
I can't believe I'm saying this but I'd tend towards BJW for this one. I don't think deporting ALL the muslims is gonna do ANY good.
BUt I do think they should take a FAR more aggressive stance against people like that idiot "foaming at the mouth". Wasn't there a fella charged last year for inciting hate, and his excuse was "I was only joking" or something to that effect?
It seems strange that talk like that can go unchecked is all. But then again, I also think (and have always thought) that free speech has limits. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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You know, I'd have sympathy for some of the commentary on this thread, if and only if, the British military were home, safe and sound. Not killing Muslims every day and not spouting a lot of hateful stuff themselves.... and let's not forget Britain's own colonial legacy which endures in these minds.....
All of the extremism is fed. You'd do best to look there for answers and not stupid and very assinine stuff like, "deport them".
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And Thailand dd? How about Singapore? JI is constantly trying to attack this city. Canada? How about when they kill each other? Maybe, just maybe, the paradigm with which you are using to analyze this situation isn't appropriate. I made the change from assuming violence is a result of grievance/poverty/feelings to violence is learned from youth and encouraged in the koran about 8 years ago. Time for you to catch up. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote:
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| Pakistanis who have those views should be stripped of their citizenship and simply deported. If they don't view themselves as British subjects then they can go and make a living in Pakistan. They should remember one thing -the British intelligence people are watching and some people in the crowd who are of your ethnicity work for them so keep talking.. What fools... |
Couldn't agree more but the wave of multicultural nonsense known as diversity has become so much a part of the parlance of Western Europe that it won't likely happen.
Funny, in a pathetic sort of way, how so many immigrants from developing nations nowadays feel that immigration is an ENTITLEMENT. Personally, I think we should consider strict quotas on immigrants from all countries unless they are the spouses of citizens.
If this immigration wave continues, Britain won't be Britain in a couple of decades, and the U.S. won't be the U.S. When does our concern for preserving national identity take precedence over immigrants' imagined rights to merely transfer their home cultures?
canukistan:
Nice of you to pooh-pooh the OP but it's precisely that liberal attitude that emboldens this brand of immigrant.
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| You know, I'd have sympathy for some of the commentary on this thread, if and only if, the British military were home, safe and sound. Not killing Muslims every day and not spouting a lot of hateful stuff themselves.... and let's not forget Britain's own colonial legacy which endures in these minds..... |
You know, I'd have sympathy for your view if you weren't such a pantywaist on these issues. Oh, yes, the Brits are always spewing hateful venom abroad. Why just the other day a Royal Marine lectured a Basra shopkeeper on the ills of Islam. The six young men encircling him with daggers and AK-47s didn't stop him from completing his moral mission. 
And, dear self-proclaimed ambassador of cultural love, even if we looked far into the colonial past, would two wrongs make a right?
Now please do continue with your tirade against Russians who are all corrupt, blah, blah. |
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ddeubel
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| And Thailand dd? How about Singapore? JI is constantly trying to attack this city. Canada? How about when they kill each other? Maybe, just maybe, the paradigm with which you are using to analyze this situation isn't appropriate. I made the change from assuming violence is a result of grievance/poverty/feelings to violence is learned from youth and encouraged in the koran about 8 years ago. Time for you to catch up. |
Yes, well as one famous social commentator has muttered, there is a close link between stupidity and fear of the other..... Pity for you and time you to get intouch with reality. You attach a reality to a small group of lunatics and promote it with "Wolf! Wolf!" ignoring the forces that push these lunatic voices into the breadth of day. You aren't clear headed at all and your belief that it is all from the Koran and indoctrinated youth, is an arguement that is erased by all the millions upon millions of Muslims elsewhere that do not espouse nor take up arms....while America and Britain train their youth to blow up and kill and send them off to do so.....
Stop supporting your hate with insupportable stories and asides and declarations the sky is falling. Then somebody might have consideration for your views...
DD |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
220,000 people who support the killing of their fellow "citizens" for religious reasons is cause for a cynical "run for the hills" type reply?
Here is why this should matter to you: The grand social experiment of mass third world immigration, tolerance, multiculturalism and the rest is being brought down by muslims. Muslims are changing everything. We are a few bombings away from the mass deportation of an entire religion from some European nations. The world is changing. Keep up. |
Nice math! The commentary? Overwrought and anxious. A vacation perhaps? You know...put things into a bit better perspective.
Thank god (no pun intended) you're part of a small, loud minority as well. The talk sounds the same though. "Oh Noooooooo they're taking us over...Nooooooooo!!!!"
"Sig Heil!" ....in case you have failed to remember the other "deportation" campaigns of religious groups from Europe.
Knee jerk, scare-mongering isn't the answer. |
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