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[Keepongoing]

Just curious. Are natives to your land treated well. Yes they have the reservations and casinos and some benefits, but I am curious which government they live best under: Canada or the US. Oh, I guess we can invite the Aussies to tell us about the Aborigines, or the Kiwis to report on the Maori.

Oh, if you are a Native American, Canadian, Kiwi or Aussie, would love to hear from you.

Also, how different or alike do you think these people groups are?

Based on the history books I have read, the US treated our proud indigenous people very badly

[swetepete]

The scene in Canada is pretty bad. Too painful and heavy to get into on a Friday.

[Rapacious Mr. Batstove]

I would say that relations between New Zealand Europeans and Maori are pretty good. The country has a good feeling of unity and everyone appears to ride more or less as one nation.

Maori culture is integrated into the national curriculum, Te Reo Maori (language) is an official language of NZ. Maori culture is cherished and promoted.

There are still issues at large over fisheries and land rights in certain places but these are isolated. The Treaty of Waitangi (the document which acknowledged the Crown as guardians of New Zealand) will always be contentious due to historical discrepancies in the translation of key words but these days New Zealand is a harmonious multicultural nation.

Big ups New Zealand. Colonisation and assimilation is a precarious game, but in comparison to other countries, New Zealand has handled the unification of settlers and natives better and with more respect and tact than Australia and America in particular.

[RACETRAITOR]

The US probably has fewer issues with Natives than Canada these days, but historically there were a lot more conflicts, of course leading to more killing of Natives and driving them from their lands.

I used to date a girl who was half Native and seriously considered having kids with her because they'd get free tuition in university.

[ajgeddes]

I may be wrong, but I think in Canada it largely depends on whether or not they live on reserves. To be honest, I think natives living off of the reserves face little to no discrimination. I had plenty of friends that just lived amongst the people and they never complained or had any issues. The situation on the reserves though.... that's a whole different story.

[Satori]

[Keepongoing]

[Rapacious Mr. Batstove]

[swetepete]

Maybe I'll write something about the reservation system in Canada later, but I don't want to touch that one with a ten meter totem pole right now.

As for NZ exemplifying the successful integration of colonial and indigenous cultures, I have to say without a doubt it's the best case I've heard of so far. Far from perfect, still, but a damn sight better than what we've managed. I've met some bros here of Maori descent, living high on the hog with this sweet little gig we got; native Australians, zero. North Americans, zip.

There's a lot of superficial integration of aboriginal art where I'm from (west coast BC) and to a certain extent some cultural 'respect,' but by and large it remains just that: superficial. There's loads of token gestures, many of which are certainly heartfelt and well-intentioned, but the native and colonial populations don't get along well.

There's rampant racism, in the small cities where you'd expect to find it of course, but also in the bigger cities as well.
Native people are, in my experience, generally looked down on. Our jails are mostly filled with natives, as are our back-alleys and street shelters. The brave attempt by many to get off their reserves, and integrate with the city culture, results all too often with rejection and humiliation; and, frequently, with heavy boozing, and drugging, and worse.

Ours was the last point of the continent to get colonized. It's not been very long; maybe a hundred fifty years, tops. We're still dealing with some pretty heavy stuff.

[Keepongoing]

[Rapacious Mr. Batstove]

[Ya-ta Boy]

[Keepongoing]

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[The Perfect Cup of Coffee]

I've heard about the NZ attempts to improve relations with the Maori, mostly from Kiwi co-workers of mine and the government policy seems genuine. Sadly, the same co-workers had nothing nice to say about Australia's government and its treatment of Aborigines. I suppose the greatest difference though between NZ / Australia and the US / Canada though is the sheer numbers of tribes the American and Canadian governments deal with on treaty negotiations and political rights.

How does it work in NZ and Australia? The way it's working in North America is slow and tedious as the feds must deal mostly with individual tribes. I don't even have any idea how many there are in North America either...hundreds? Maybe someone from NZ or Australia can answer the question?

[genezorm]

i think its pretty safe to say the record is crap for all of them
except for australia who has wiped all of them out

the free tuition thing in canada is a joke
a friend of mine was denied it because some "board of advisors" were worried he wouldn't work hard enough