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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: Favre gets ripped by Jets teammates |
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We finally have some people who are not as easily fooled as Green Bay:
But I just hope that the part that reads; �A veteran Jets player, quoted
anonymously " does not cast doubt on the legitimacy of the article for the likes of JMO. No JMO, I am not saying Favre�s dad killed JFK, just that he is a poor quarterback and the anonymous source is spot on.
Favre gets ripped by Jets teammates
Posted: 01/01/2009 08:43:59 PM PST
Team owner Woody Johnson has stated clearly that he wants Brett Favre to be the New York Jets' quarterback next season, but some players seem to be bristling at the thought, ESPN.com reported.
Days after the Jets' 1-4 finish left them out of the playoffs and helped trigger Eric Mangini's firing as coach, running back Thomas Jones blasted Favre's final-game performance and seemed to suggest the QB's play � nine interceptions and only two touchdown passes in the final five games � called for his benching.
"We're a team and we win together ... but at the same time, you can't turn the ball over and expect to win," Jones said in an interview Tuesday with New York Hot 97-FM. Favre threw three interceptions in the Jets' season-ending 24-17 loss to Miami that clinched the AFC East for the Dolphins.
"The other day, the three interceptions really hurt us. I mean, that's just reality," Jones told the radio station. "If I were to sit here and say, 'Oh, man, it's OK,' that's not reality. ... I don't like it, I know everybody else on the team doesn't like it. ... If somebody is not playing well, they need to come out of the game."
The Jets today will conduct their first interviews with potential successors to Mangini, starting with internal candidates Brian Schottenheimer (offensive coordinator) and Bill Callahan (assistant head coach/offense), who once coached the Raiders.
A veteran Jets player, quoted
anonymously by Newsday, described Favre as a "distant" teammate who, when at the Jets' practice facility, spent his down time away from teammates in an office specially designated for him.
"There was a lot of resentment in the (locker) room about him. He never socialized with us, never went to dinner with anyone," the player told Newsday.
Broncos: The first two candidates who will interview for Denver's head coaching vacancy are New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and Tampa Bay Buccaneers secondary coach Raheem Morris, team spokesman Patrick Smyth said.
Browns: As its courtship with Scott Pioli continued, Cleveland postponed an interview with Atlanta president Rich McKay for the GM job and talked to Spagnuolo about the head coaching position.
Vikings: Minnesota defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier is scheduled to interview with the Detroit Lions next week and is also believed to be a potential candidate for the St. Louis Rams' head coaching job. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Sad, Farve should have stayed in retirement. He made a good go of it, but took a hell of a gamble on coming back. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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regicide imagined:
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We finally have some people who are not as easily fooled as Green Bay: |
What in the heck are you talkin' about, bud?
Green Bay let him go despite his sterling record overall. We knew he was over the hill. He was their franchise player and his willingness to play even when hurt was a source of blue-collar admiration.
Yes, it's sad to see what's happened, since he could have gone out with a bang, but he loves and plays the game with a boy's enthusiasm, which is something to see. His accuracy has fallen off, to be sure.
But this has nothing to do with the Packers' judgment. Their general manager is one of the best in the business.
Now go back to chasin' JFK files at Roswell. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Well he is a gunslinger, known for fitting balls into tight windows at impossible angles...maybes it him!
They should never have got rid of Pennington in retrospect. Favre is not a good QB. Still good enough to be an NFL starter probably, but that says more about the quality(difficulty) of (being an) NFL starter QB than anything else.
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Broncos: The first two candidates who will interview for Denver's head coaching vacancy are New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and Tampa Bay Buccaneers secondary coach Raheem Morris, team spokesman Patrick Smyth said. |
People should be all over that Bronco's job. They have the best young QB in the league. That is the hardest thing to get. Denver should have their pick of suitors. Not so much for the Jet's job. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Pats fans found themselves in the bizarre position of rooting for the Jets in the season's last game (since if they had won, the Pats would have been in the playoffs).
We're now back to hating/strongly disliking them. I hope their struggles continue next year.
p.s. Steve, you can't downsize that avatar any? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:20 am Post subject: |
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"If somebody is not playing well, they need to come out of the game," Jones told Hot 97 FM. "You're jeopardizing the whole team because you're having a bad day. To me, that's not fair to everybody else."
Steve, how have you been? I noticed Barnes and Noble has the complete seasons of Hawaii Five O available there. I would imagine that that you have em all by now though.
Anyway, thanks to JMO I know all about Farves "sterling" record with the Pack. However, I still think Jones�s comments are as I said, spot on.
"If somebody is not playing well, they need to come out of the game,"
could not be more true for Mr. Broken finger, play every game to get that record, Favre.
I feel somewhat vindicated by these latest revelations from Favre�s new teammates at the Jets despite the outpouring of support for Favre here.
I think it is just too bad that Favre didn�t have that �magic bullet�, or at least one that was at least on target most of the time.
He does, luckily for him, have the requisite spin doctors to keep his legacy alive.
NEW YORK (AFP) � New York Jets running back Thomas Jones, stung by the team's failure to make the National Football League playoffs, said quarterback Brett Favre's errors were just too costly for the team.
Jones told a local radio station on Tuesday that mistakes by the Hall of Fame signal-caller should have seen him benched.
The Jets lost four of their last five games, and Favre threw nine interceptions with just two touchdowns in that span. The 39-year-old quarterback finished with 22 touchdowns and a league-worst 22 interceptions, but still somehow made the Pro Bowl.
"We're a team and we win together. ... But at the same time, you can't turn the ball over and expect to win," Jones told the radio station two days after Favre tossed three interceptions in the season-ending loss to Miami.
The loss was even more painful because former Jets quarterback Chad Pennington outplayed Favre and helped the Dolphins clinch the AFC East division crown.
Jones, who led the AFC with rushing 1,312 yards, said the turnovers were the difference in the 24-17 loss.
"The other day, the three interceptions really hurt us. I mean, that's just reality," Jones told the radio station. "If I were to sit here and say, 'Oh, man, it's OK,' that's not reality. ... I don't like it, I know everybody else on the team doesn't like it. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:04 am Post subject: |
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regicide wrote: |
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Anyway, thanks to JMO I know all about Farves "sterling" record with the Pack.
He does, luckily for him, have the requisite spin doctors to keep his legacy alive.
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He needs spin doctors?
Is this the thread you are referring to?
We talked about his legacy on that thread. You ran away once, you know, facts were presented.
I said,
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they went 170-94 with one losing season thrown in there.
In his 16 years they went to the playoffs 11 times(!) and went to 2 superbowls, winning one |
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=115548&highlight=favre
I agree with basically everything I said. He's old and maybe he should retire just for his general health, but he could still start on many, many teams in this league. You drastically over estimate how good QBing is in the league. Basically your premise and Jone's premise is that the back up, Kellen Clemoms would play better. I doubt that. If Clemons could play better, that would not tarnish his legacy. People get old and they get replaced.
He's a hall of fame QB. He's also no where near my favorite QB. I just think he's one of those guys that people are fond of saying is overrated. He is what he is. An incredibly productive QB who throws picks. As he gets older, his production is slipping and he throws more picks.
You like to judge a guy's whole career by his decline. That is sad and as weasely as I would expect. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Location: United States
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:58 am Post subject: |
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No one can argue with his lifetime statistics as you have presented here. As far as running away...well, I imagine that the discussion had run its course. If you call that running away...fine. If you want to call me a weasel for talking bad about the great Brent Favre, go ahead. But what would you call Jones? I believe a guy who sees it like it is.
My position here is of one who had to endure those declining years as a Packer fan. So how many were there? (years where he should have been gone)
That is the issue here. You have given us the facts to support a great career. The question is; when should that career have ended?
I think Jones and the Jets think it was sometime before this season. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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regicide wrote: |
No one can argue with his lifetime statistics as you have presented here. As far as running away...well, I imagine that the discussion had run its course. If you call that running away...fine. If you want to call me a weasel for talking bad about the great Brent Favre, go ahead. But what would you call Jones? I believe a guy who sees it like it is.
My position here is of one who had to endure those declining years as a Packer fan. So how many were there? (years where he should have been gone)
That is the issue here. You have given us the facts to support a great career. The question is; when should that career have ended?
I think Jones and the Jets think it was sometime before this season. |
You had to endure the declining years? You had an above average QB for 16 years. He declined from a very high point and when he left he was still very much a legit NFL QB.
I'll say it again. You simply do not understand the standard of QBing in the NFL. Looking at his old division, the only team that you wouldn't start him on is the Packers. He is still a slightly above average QB and would start for many teams in the league.
He can retire when he wants to. GMs will decide for him sometime in the future if he doesn't go this year. He does however have value right now.
If the Jets think Clemons is better, he would have started.
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So how many were there? (years where he should have been gone) |
At the Pack? Depends how good you think Rodgers is. I'd say he went at the right time. He was not the problem at Green Bay. |
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