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				|  Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Support for the GOP collapses among the Youth |   |  
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				| Support for the GOP collapses among the youth (18-31) 
 The total Democratic advantage (youth identifying themselves as Democrat or Independents leaning Democrat vs Republican or Independents leaning Republican) is +19. Among males it is +8 and females +28. Among whites the Republicans lead by +2, but among Hispanics and Blacks, Democrats lead +42 and +76!! respectively. As with most surveys like this one, Asians are not dignified with any questions.
 
 The most important issue tends to be the economy and the particular economic hardships young people in America today undergo. Interestingly enough, most young people are in favor of globalization, but are overwhelmingly in favor, by a +40 margin, of bigger government over a smaller government.
 
 On every issue except the gun issue, the youth see the Democrats as doing a better job than the Republicans by at least a margin of +10. Democrats are said to be paying better attention to 'issues that affect younger people' by a +39 margin. Democrats are said to be doing better on terrorism by a +21 margin.
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				|  Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | On every issue except the gun issue, the youth see the Democrats as doing a better job than the Republicans by at least a margin of +10. Democrats are said to be paying better attention to 'issues that affect younger people' by a +39 margin. Democrats are said to be doing better on terrorism by a +21 margin. |  
 
 
 Young people are easily influential by the media, TV, Hollywood, etc.  Most of the cats are liber, to far let nuts.
 
 I have no problem with Democrats who have good ideas, and have the the interests of the United States at heart.
 
 Read the book....check it out.
 
 
 
 
 Oh, and by the way.........
 
 1.  The "surveys" or "polls" taken in regards to who is doing a better job on terrorism...........LOL!  (whisper.............the Republicans are the ones with the balls to do anything about it)
 
 2.  Supporting same sex marriages................OK, but what if one does not?  Most Americans are traditional, and most Americans do not agree with that.
 
 3.  Actually.......enough.
 
 
 Who exactly conducted this "multi mode pole" ?  Was it done by the ACLU at the University of California at Berkley?
 
 Yes, many far left liberals react with hostility, because that they are full of hate, especialy with anyone who disagrees with them.
 
 
 Pull out of Iraq?  Yeah, lets show the world the U.S. is a paper tiger, and let thousands of people be slaughtered.  If we do pull out, it should be because the Iraqi knuckleheads can't get thier shite together.
 
 
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		| thepeel 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:23 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | On every issue except the gun issue, the youth see the Democrats as doing a better job than the Republicans by at least a margin of +10. Democrats are said to be paying better attention to 'issues that affect younger people' by a +39 margin. Democrats are said to be doing better on terrorism by a +21 margin. |  
 
 
 Young people are easily influential by the media, TV, Hollywood, etc.  Most of the cats are liber, to far let nuts.
 
 I have no problem with Democrats who have good ideas, and have the the interests of the United States at heart.
 
 Read the book....check it out.
 
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 What book?
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				|  Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:33 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Culture Warrior..it is a good book. |  |  
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		| Ya-ta Boy 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:27 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Young people are so fickle. Give 'em a Republican-led government for 27 of the last 39 years and they turn on you. What's a multi-trillion dollar national debt, an unprovoked war with no foreseeable end, assaults on the Constitution, loss of the national reputation, sex scandal after sex scandal from the Family Values people? 
 Young people should learn gratitude!
 
 I remember the Election of '80 and being depressed, but resigned myself with the idea that if people got a dose of old-fashioned conservatism, they'd remember why they turned away from it in the first place.
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		| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:04 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| People turned away from the Republicans in 1973 and by 1980 the Republicans were back in charge. 
 Even in that atmosphere Jimmy Carter only won a very narrow victory over Ford in 1976.
 
 Were it not for Ross Perot Clinton would not have been able to win in 1992.
 
 I dunno who is gonna win in 2008 but I would advice everyone to look at a poll of polls , favorable/ unfavorable ratings and who has the most money.
 
 Here is what seems to be a fact of recent history .Republicans run strong in presidential  elections and if they can win either Ohio or Pennsylvania then it is all over.
 
 By the way though it seems that a lot of posters don't realize it (I am happy to say )  Dave's Esl Cafe isn't an accurate reflection of the US electorate.
 
 and the Iraq war was not not unprovoked cause Saddam never gave up his war. But more than that  9-11 showed that the mideast was as it was was a danger to the US that needs to be taken care of. It still needs to be and it can the US might need a few more arrows in the quiver. But it can be done.
 
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		| some waygug-in 
 
 
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		| bucheon bum 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Young people are so fickle. Give 'em a Republican-led government for 27 of the last 39 years and they turn on you. What's a multi-trillion dollar national debt, an unprovoked war with no foreseeable end, assaults on the Constitution, loss of the national reputation, sex scandal after sex scandal from the Family Values people? 
 Young people should learn gratitude!
 
 I remember the Election of '80 and being depressed, but resigned myself with the idea that if people got a dose of old-fashioned conservatism, they'd remember why they turned away from it in the first place.
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 and what did we have during 8 of those democrat-led years? balanced budgets, a growing economy, no unprovoked, pointless wars.  Man, those young people are stupid.
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				|  Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:19 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | and the Iraq war was not not unprovoked cause Saddam never gave up his war. But more than that 9-11 showed that the mideast was as it was was a danger to the US that needs to be taken care of. It still needs to be and it can the US might need a few more arrows in the quiver. But it can be done. |  
 
 True.
 
 I have said time and time again, that before the invasion, there were train loads of weapons, gaurded by Russian troops (and possibly French and German) that were shipped to Syria.  I am waiting on the book, which was written by a formal Iraqi general that testifies to this.  I will present it when it arrives.
 
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		| bucheon bum 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:26 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | and the Iraq war was not not unprovoked cause Saddam never gave up his war. But more than that 9-11 showed that the mideast was as it was was a danger to the US that needs to be taken care of. It still needs to be and it can the US might need a few more arrows in the quiver. But it can be done. |  
 Operation Desert Fox decimated his capabilities. Saddam was not a threat. I highly recommend Fiasco by Thomas Ricks. Yes, he's part of the liberal media since he writes for that bastard Washington Post, but hey, the military respects him so he can't be that liberal now can he?
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				|  Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:27 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Operation Desert Fox decimated his capabilities. Saddam was not a threat. I highly recommend [i]Fiasco[/b] by Thomas Ricks. Yes, he's part of the liberal media since he writes for that *beep* Washington Post, but hey, the military respects him so he can't be that liberal now can he? |  
 
 BEFORE the invasion.................
 
 
 Fiasco, eh?  I'll check it out.
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:33 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | I have said time and time again, that before the invasion, there were train loads of weapons, gaurded by Russian troops (and possibly French and German) |  
 Yeah, I hear they also had Cubans, gays, ACLUers, and possibly NPR listeners guarding the trains as well.
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				|  Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:36 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Yeah, I hear they also had Cubans, gays, ACLUers, and possibly NPR listeners guarding the trains as well. |  
 
 Now, you are resorting to crap..........
 
 Although, I would not be surprised if the ACLU was involved.  Do you even know about the founding father of the ACLU, and what is goals were?
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:40 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Although, I would not be surprised if the ACLU was involved. Do you even know about the founding father of the ACLU, and what is goals were? 
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 Um, Roger Baldwin, right? Though I can't say I know for sure what his exact goals were. I had always thought it was something to do with protecting conscientious objectors or something.
 
 But you are aware that they have defended the rights of conservatives as well, right? Oliver North, for example.
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				|  Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:52 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Um, Roger Baldwin, right? Though I can't say I know for sure what his exact goals were. I had always thought it was something to do with protecting conscientious objectors or something. 
 But you are aware that they have defended the rights of conservatives as well, right? Oliver North, for example.
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 Well, I can't blame you for not really knowing what is behind the ACLU, because up until recently, I did not either.
 
 Example.....did you know the ACLU supports a group called NAMBLA (look it up).....Jeffrey Curley...............look it up.
 
 
 "According to Peggy Lamson (a Baldwin biographer) he explained his strategy.............."I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of vioulence and compulsion.  I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control by those who produce weath.  Communism is the goal".
 
 In the book 'The ACLU vs. America' by Alan Sears and Craig Osten, Baldwins plan is also revealed unmistakably.  They quote a letter he wrote to a supporter..........."Do steer away from making it (the ACLU) look like a Socialist enterprise...we want to look like patriots in everything we do.  We want to get a lot of flags, talk a good deal about the Constitution and what our forefathers wanted to make of this country, and to show that we really are for the folks............................
 
 But, this is unless of course, the folks are Christians, Boy Scouts, parents who wan tot know if their underage daughters are having abortions, or concerned Americans who want sexual predators who hurt children held accountable.  Those folks need not apply for ACLU membership."
 
 
 .........who else is a big ACLU contributor?
 
 George Soros (look him up)
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