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Harpeau
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Bulsajo

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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:31 am Post subject: |
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I looked 4 or 5 pages at the site and found it to be somewhat interesting... but to be honest from my opinion it doesn't appear to be much more there than your usual religious hypocrisy. I suppose for some who is searching for truth in recent American evangelical movements this might be considered a breakthrough.
Hmm, this is coming off as a put-down...
I am glad that you posted it, knowledge is a good thing, films are good things. If it happens to make its way to the rep theatre where I have a membership then I'll check it out. |
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Harpeau
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I do miss the old Rep theatres in both Montreal & Toronto.
My point is that many christians come down on people that are gay or lesbian. I think that it is interesting that it would seem that God used someone who was gay to do great acts. Might it be that the gay and lesbian issue might not be such a big issue to God? Might it be that maybe God is more concerned with people who have indiscriminant sex and that two individuals in a loving, mutually caring committed relationship may be something good? (I know this might not be a reflection of the case of Frisbee). I guess that the incredible thing is that the whole thing blows my mind. Very interesting! |
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red dog

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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| My point is that many christians come down on people that are gay or lesbian. I think that it is interesting that it would seem that God used someone who was gay to do great acts. Might it be that the gay and lesbian issue might not be such a big issue to God? Might it be that maybe God is more concerned with people who have indiscriminant sex and that two individuals in a loving, mutually caring committed relationship may be something good? (I know this might not be a reflection of the case of Frisbee). I guess that the incredible thing is that the whole thing blows my mind. Very interesting! |
I don't know anything about this guy and would have to see the film to make any sense of the article, but I don't see how on Earth the article supports the above position.
First of all, who knows if this guy was really "gay" or not? It sounds as if he was a pretty f'ed-up individual and the filmmaker is zeroing in on his case in such a way as to suggest "gay" people in general are unstable. He also keeps referring to the main character as a "sinner" and to homosexuality as a "lifestyle," which suggests to me that his agenda may not be as gay-positive as you seem to think.
Besides that, there is an assumption in the above post that there actually is a christian-style god directing everything who actually cares about human actions, period. Something tells me that if such a being were really "out there" -- and if he, she, it or they really were that concerned about people's sex lives but didn't consider gayness a "big deal" -- he/she/it/they would most likely have "inspired" a different film. |
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Harpeau
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Besides that, there is an assumption in the above post that there actually is a christian-style god directing everything who actually cares about human actions, period. Something tells me that if such a being were really "out there" -- and if he, she, it or they really were that concerned about people's sex lives but didn't consider gayness a "big deal" -- he/she/it/they would most likely have "inspired" a different film. |
Maybe yes, maybe no. I don't know. Yes, I do make my own assumptions. We all have dissagreements. That's fine by me. I think people are free to follow their own inspiration. The bottom line is, I think this is interesting. I may not agree with everything stated, just that it's interesting. And yes, we can all dissagree. |
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Keepongoing
Joined: 13 Feb 2003 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject: seems to be a trend |
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sorry, go onto next message
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Keepongoing
Joined: 13 Feb 2003 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:34 pm Post subject: seems to be a trend |
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I have never met Lonnie Frisbee, but I have met many people who knew him in the early days of the Vineyard. I have a background in Calvary Chapel and worked with a Christian Social Organization that had an amiable relationship with the Vineyard church.
I met a few of the so called prophets, "Paul Cain and Bob Jones". Both men were praised as being great prophets and men of God. I will not say if they are or are not. My director had me spend a day with Paul Cain once and I did not sense anything other than the mundane.
In both of these characters it was learnt that they were involved in homosexual activity and alcoholism.
Calvary Chapel grew because they accepted the long-haired hippie types into their congregation. They had exchanged the hymns for a contemporary Christian Sound; The Way, Maranatha and the like. They were laid back and fit well into contemporary culture. They were open to "Signs and Wonders." In fact, Wimber and Peter Wagner had a class at Fuller Theological Seminary called "Signs and Wonders which was one of the most popular classes on campus and went on for years. There was a hunger to see the manifest power of God. People wanted to see the "reality of it all' They wanted to see lives change. Shiloh sprung out of that which was more like Christian communes than anything else.
It was in this transforming time that Lonnie was in the picture.
It is quite an interesting history, but in that history it can be quite messy and carnal. ok
I am no longer a part of all of that.
This link tells of Paul Cain: the New Testament Prophets Apology" This was after he was found out: This is recent and he was the most famous in those circles.
http://www.streamingfaith.com/sf_presentation/tab__qWkJTZkM+UI=/keywords__News+Detail/tz__dZQACaptIa8=/nid__f3SbpxjKl0k=/default.aspx
THis is about Bob Jones, not from Bob Jones University, but quite popular in the church circles where Lonnie Frisbee was known.
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/kcp.html |
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Harpeau
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting that information. BTW, I recently read that the film was nominated for an Emmy in the best documentary category. I've yet to see it, but hope to one day, soon. Has anybody seen it? Any opinions on it?
Cheers! |
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