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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:46 am Post subject: Need advice from waygooks about marrying a Korean... |
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Hi, I could really use some advice from men who have married a Korean woman.
I'm engaged to a white woman who grew up in Korea.
I've dated Asian women in Canada in the past and just about all of the experiences were really bad. I don't want to get into the details, it's not important, but most of them had serious mental issues and a really messed up sense of self-esteem. I've had many friends who have experienced the same thing. I generally avoid Asian women who grew up in a foreign country because of my bad experiences.
Well the case with my fiancee is somewhat similar. She speaks Korean fluently and her step-father is Korean but her original parents are not. She also has a Korean sister who I do not get along with because I think she doesn't like foreigners in general.
The problem I'm having is that my fiancee is very stubborn about being "Korean." I think this is because she had a hard time fitting into the Korean culture as she was growing up so she acts "Korean," so that she can fit in and not get hurt. We have come to agree on many things, I will act a certain way for her because that is what she is used to.
She has the typical Korean insecurities that really bother me. I have spoken with her father about the marriage and he approved The only problem I'm having is getting on her mother's good side because I have made it clear that I want to live in Canada eventually. But her parents say they won't approve or "respect," such a decision.
My fiancee suggests that I show them my bank book and all my mutual funds and whatever else I have invested in. She also wants me to show them a picture of my parent's house in Canada. This really bothers me a lot According to her sister it is a normal thing to do in Korea, just to assure the parents that their daughter will be ok. But when I ask my Korean male friends about this they say it's not true. So either I am being lied to or they are completely discriminating against me for being a foreigner?
Did you ever have to do anything like this when you were engaged to your fiancee? There are some other odd things I have been asked to do, but this bank book thing is the most troublesome. I'm pretty insecure about it.
I know this forum can get really nasty and racist at times, so if you married a Korean woman and know a better place I can get advice I would really appreciate it if you can advise me. Thanks.
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Canadian Club
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: |
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If you have serious misgivings about a person of any ethnicity or nationality, then you should not marry them.
That is my opinion. |
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hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: |
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Say what...the in laws/outlaws, won't let you move to Canada with their "daughter?" You have more of a problem then just being hooked up with her I think.
Cut your losses, let her go and go meet a REAL woman, be it korean, asian, white, etc.
This gal you are with is obviously not a woman. Just a little girl in a woman's body.
You will have far more headaches if you stay with her...and it'll be your own fault. |
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Pak Yu Man

Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Location: The Ida galaxy
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:48 am Post subject: |
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If hse acts like a Korean then you need the support/respect of her family. You don't marry the girl...you marry the family. |
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nicholas_chiasson

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Location: Samcheok
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: |
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-I think asking for serious advice on Daves is not a good idea, or a good sign. I mean why trust random people on the internet? |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: |
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so she acts "Korean," |
From this qualification, I have to wonder why you're considering marriage. |
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tfunk

Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: |
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Is there a reason that most of the women you meet had 'a really messed up sense of self-esteem'? Why do you feel you have to act for her and what is it about her 'acting Korean' that you think is inauthentic? She grew up in Korea didn't she? Maybe she identifies with the culture.
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I'm pretty insecure about it |
Based on your post alone I'd say you have self-esteem issues and it's possible that until you address this issue, problems of a similar nature will continue to arise. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Need advice from waygooks about marrying a Korean... |
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Sody wrote: |
Hi, I could really use some advice from men who have married a Korean woman.
I'm engaged to a white woman who grew up in Korea.
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Congratulations! I'm very happy for you.
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I've dated Asian women in Canada in the past and just about all of the experiences were really bad. I don't want to get into the details, it's not important, but most of them had serious mental issues and a really messed up sense of self-esteem. I've had many friends who have experienced the same thing. I generally avoid Asian women who grew up in a foreign country because of my bad experiences.
Well the case with my fiancee is somewhat similar. She speaks Korean fluently and her step-father is Korean but her original parents are not. She also has a Korean sister who I do not get along with because I think she doesn't like foreigners in general.
The problem I'm having is that my fiancee is very stubborn about being "Korean." I think this is because she had a hard time fitting into the Korean culture as she was growing up so she acts "Korean," so that she can fit in and not get hurt. We have come to agree on many things, I will act a certain way for her because that is what she is used to.
She has the typical Korean insecurities that really bother me. I have spoken with her father about the marriage and he approved The only problem I'm having is getting on her mother's good side because I have made it clear that I want to live in Canada eventually. But her parents say they won't approve or "respect," such a decision.
My fiancee suggests that I show them my bank book and all my mutual funds and whatever else I have invested in. She also wants me to show them a picture of my parent's house in Canada. This really bothers me a lot According to her sister it is a normal thing to do in Korea, just to assure the parents that their daughter will be ok. But when I ask my Korean male friends about this they say it's not true. So either I am being lied to or they are completely discriminating against me for being a foreigner?
Did you ever have to do anything like this when you were engaged to your fiancee? There are some other odd things I have been asked to do, but this bank book thing is the most troublesome. I'm pretty insecure about it.
I know this forum can get really nasty and racist at times, so if you married a Korean woman and know a better place I can get advice I would really appreciate it if you can advise me. Thanks.
Sody |
These are just a few impressions from what I've gleaned from the little that was written above.
I'm wondering, does your fiancee want to move to Canada or stay in Korea? Can she live away from her immediate family? Would the parents eventually moving to Canada be an option? I think that these are important factors that you need to consider.
Couples tend to argue the most about sex, in-laws, money and children. You need to make sure that you and your fiancee carefully talk about your hopes and dreams for the future.
Concerning the money and stuff, many Korean parents want to make sure that their children are well taken care of. It might be important to outline your finances, etc.
At the end of the day, you need to ask yourself is this what you want for your life? It's your choice. Just remember, honesty and communication are most important. I wish you all the best. |
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Leavingkorea
Joined: 27 Apr 2007
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:02 am Post subject: |
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My fiancee suggests that I show them my bank book and all my mutual funds and whatever else I have invested in. She also wants me to show them a picture of my parent's house in Canada. This really bothers me a lot Sad According to her sister it is a normal thing to do in Korea, just to assure the parents that their daughter will be ok. |
While these exact steps might not be what everyone does, the last sentence is accurate. They will absolutely want to know your family's general status and support ability as well as your own. If you're a hogwan teacher you got a hell of an up hill battle. I might talk about it more than showing all my investments if that's a concern of them. Bring it up in normal conversation might be better than sitting them down with the books. |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Tony_Baloney - lol! I am white. Some of my descendants are even part aboriginal so I know what's it like to have mixed people in my family.
With the exception of tfunk, I appreciate the thoughts of everyone who gave some good advice.
Yes, nicholas I agree with what you are saying but I know there are some good guys on this board who got married to Korean wives and were open about it in the past. I've asked for advice on another board and hopefully I'll get some good responses as well.
I know most people will disagree with my prejudice against the Korean culture with regards to my future family but I'm not being bitter about it, I talk about it because I want to understand it more. There are so many people online who will simply cry injustice but I don't think you should just give up on a relationship because there are cultural problems. I'm ok with the fact that I don't get along splendidly with my future in-laws. It's alright with me.
It is a serious issue that is distinctly Korean for me because with women I have dated in the past this has not been an issue. For some people you don't actually marry into the family but for some races this is especially true, eg. Korean, Italian, Mexican, Greek, etc. I value this closeness but it's frustrating sometimes because I have to act a certain way most of the time.
Harpeau, thanks for helping me clarify my thoughts. Yes, she is willing to move to Canada. But I would have to move to a big city like Toronto or Vancouver so that she could attend a Korean church. That's just one of the problems that I've encountered, she isn't willing to go to another church.
Leavingkorea, it's actually not so bad for me because I actually proposed to her while I was working part time for a hagwon. Her father was more than ok with it I think because I used to work for a PS. I'm trying to start up a life in Canada right now but obviously if I go back to Korea, what can I do? My Korean isn't good and one of the reasons I posted this thread was because I feel strangled sometimes. If you wanna live in Korea - you have to be an English teacher. But you have no choice to live in Korea otherwise your wife won't be happy. That's why I'm a bit insecure about it because although I make more than average it isn't enough to support a family in Canada. The won has been falling since last January, or the Canadian dollar has been getting stronger.
Anyhow, thanks for the suggestions.
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just another day

Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Sody wrote: |
Harpeau, thanks for helping me clarify my thoughts. Yes, she is willing to move to Canada. But I would have to move to a big city like Toronto or Vancouver so that she could attend a Korean church. That's just one of the problems that I've encountered, she isn't willing to go to another church.
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I don't see why this is a big problem. If you have to move to Vancouver or Toronto, then why not? She's giving up everything she knows for you. Why can't she at least go to a Korean church then? jeez. If you can't even make that small concession, its not because of culture, but sounds like selfishness.
I mean, this sounds like an episode from Dances with Wolves. Where the white girl was found in a Native American tribe. Kevin Costner didn't try to take her to a white town and remove all semblance of her native american heritage. he accepted it.  |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Marrying someone from another culture (I'm Greek American, wife is Korean) takes a lot of patience and work. It's not as easy as marrying someone who understands certian feelings that others have to work at understanding.
After almost nine years of marriage, I can tell you that without a doubt...if I could go back...
I'd do it again.
But the other guy was right, you need to be the man and take control. If the family doesn't want her to leave Korea...and she feels the same way -you have to club her over the head and drag her off, she'll submit later...they always do.
Kidding. |
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everydavid

Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Location: dans la lune
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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A white girl who grew up in Korea?
Wow, I mean I have never heard of this happening before (no sarcasm intended.)
May we know what her background is and how she ended up being raised in Korea? |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Sody wrote: |
I'm trying to start up a life in Canada right now but obviously if I go back to Korea, what can I do? My Korean isn't good and one of the reasons I posted this thread was because I feel strangled sometimes. If you wanna live in Korea - you have to be an English teacher. But you have no choice to live in Korea otherwise your wife won't be happy. That's why I'm a bit insecure about it because although I make more than average it isn't enough to support a family in Canada. The won has been falling since last January, or the Canadian dollar has been getting stronger.
Anyhow, thanks for the suggestions.
Sody |
Sody I hear you! Yes, there is a tension~ a feeling of being pulled in two directions. I think that is what faith is about. Like the tautness of a rope in a "tug of war". Feeling like your being pulled in two different directions is not fun, but it will make you stronger.
I want to point out something that you may not be aware of. Once you marry a Korean, you can apply for an F-2 and then eventually an F-5 VISA. That gives you lots of freedom in how you decide to to work in the land of spicy kimchi. Your VISA is tied to your wife, not the institution that you work for. You've simply got to find your niche. It is difficult to "get ahead" at this time in Canada. I'm not saying that it is impossible~ I'm only saying that it is difficult. There are lots of possibilities in Korea, you only need to look around and find your niche.
Best of luck to you. |
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pest2

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:18 am Post subject: |
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everydavid wrote: |
A white girl who grew up in Korea?
Wow, I mean I have never heard of this happening before (no sarcasm intended.)
May we know what her background is and how she ended up being raised in Korea? |
Yeah, thats like the most interesting part of this thread. Also, interesting how she ended up with all the same social earmarks as any other Korean woman. Its about society and cuture, not race! Confirms that complaining about Korean society and culture does not make one a racist. (do they need to invent a word like, "culturist"?) |
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