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The Public School Gravy Train

 
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maddog



Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:11 am    Post subject: The Public School Gravy Train Reply with quote

Hi,

I've never actually worked in a public school, but I know of a few people who did in the past, as well as a few who still do, having got their contracts over a year ago. I've also read enough on this board to know that public schools used to offer cracking holidays.

So, I am quite dissappointed at being offered public school positions that offer 10-14 days holiday a year.

Are public schools no longer as good as they once were? With a salary of 2 million Won, 14 days holiday a year, and relativley long working hours, it seems to me that a GOOD hagwon is probably a better deal these days than a public school.

Are the really good public school jobs still out there? I case you're wondering, I have years experience, one in Vietnam and one in Korea.

MD
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every year that goes by, the public school contract gets worse and worse.
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
Every year that goes by, the public school contract gets worse and worse.


Word!
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SeoulShakin



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I signed my public school contract for this March, and it was 21 vacation days. Did they cut it back to 14 for the ones hired for this summer start?
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Dave's poster and personal friend of mine is on a 11-day vacation in Canada through his public school job in rural Gyeongsangnamdo (at 2.5 mill) and next week he works one week at a camp through the school then has another 9-day vacation... that's 20 of 26 days this summer, with no loss of pay.

Darn well beats my one-week summer vacation (this week!) and one-week Christmas break here at a hagwon.
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mehamrick



Joined: 28 Aug 2006
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
A Dave's poster and personal friend of mine is on a 11-day vacation in Canada through his public school job in rural Gyeongsangnamdo (at 2.5 mill) and next week he works one week at a camp through the school then has another 9-day vacation... that's 20 of 26 days this summer, with no loss of pay.

Darn well beats my one-week summer vacation (this week!) and one-week Christmas break here at a hagwon.


and that is if they even let you take the vacation at a hakwon...
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mehamrick wrote:
and that is if they even let you take the vacation at a hakwon...

before i have signed I have stated it as a nonnegotiable NEED

there's no way I'd go without it

I need it. I'd tell a teacher who I know has the director's ear that if I couldn't get a summer or winter week break then I'll have to give my notice. Indirect communication works like a charm around here.

Anybody who works 11+ months without a week in summer and winter deserves what they get (yes, some hagwons give the last two weeks off, I know, but that just means being more careful in one's research before signing and being assertive in a kind but "need"y way).
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kimchi story



Joined: 23 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:44 am    Post subject: Re: The Public School Gravy Train Reply with quote

maddog wrote:
So, I am quite dissappointed at being offered public school positions that offer 10-14 days holiday a year.

14 working days is a day short of three weeks and 21 days is 4 weeks plus a day. That is, of course, on top of national holidays.

maddog wrote:
Are public schools no longer as good as they once were? With a salary of 2 million Won, 14 days holiday a year, and relativley long working hours, it seems to me that a GOOD hagwon is probably a better deal these days than a public school.

That has always been the case, sort of. A sweet teaching job with Samsung or Korean Air is not in the same league as a hagwon or a public school. Relatively long working hours? 22 classes a week works out to nearly 1:1 for teaching and prep. Graaaaaavy. And then there are school events, exam prep days and classes missed to attend observation classes. That just doesn't happen at hagwons.

maddog wrote:
Are the really good public school jobs still out there? I case you're wondering, I have years experience, one in Vietnam and one in Korea.

It seems to me ps jobs are becoming more standardized, through SMOE, EPIK and GEPIK. And actually, if the amount of ranting about EPIK back in 2000 and 2001 that I saw around here is any indicator, I'd say the public school jobs may not be getting better - but they are probably not getting worse. The really good public school jobs are as elusive as ever - as are the hot hagwon jobs. But an average ps job is - in terms of quality of life and professional development - way more satisfying than an average hagwon.
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server1a



Joined: 02 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS's a going to have to sweeten the deal a bit if they want to attract something other than the worst or totally inexperienced. I was told at DFL High School that it would be province wide that teachers would have to work during th holidays at BS summer camps or class preparation. And I imagine that other provinces are following suit.

Arn't working conditions supposed to improve, not get worse?

And with the Canadian dollar pulling out from the Won at the rate it's going they're going to have troubles getting anyone north of 49th. Hell when I came here in Sept I was making about 200,000 more than I am now. Couple that with vacation slashing, and I would have gon to a hagwon instead!
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoul Public Schools: 21 business days standard, opportunity for 5-10 extra for working camps, 10 more for resigning. Pay is on a set scale based on experience and education.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
A Dave's poster and personal friend of mine is on a 11-day vacation in Canada through his public school job in rural Gyeongsangnamdo (at 2.5 mill) and next week he works one week at a camp through the school then has another 9-day vacation... that's 20 of 26 days this summer, with no loss of pay.

Darn well beats my one-week summer vacation (this week!) and one-week Christmas break here at a hagwon.


Wow - change 11 to 12 and get rid of the camp next week and I'd be asking if we're personal friends. Very Happy
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KYC



Joined: 11 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends on the area...I was offered 5 weeks vacation in Gangwon.
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dogshed



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are official vacation days, which increase slightly in the new contracts, and "work from home" days.

For most people any days during a break without a scheduled camp is a work from home day.

Technically you are not supposed to leave the country on the work from home days but I've heard of people doing it anyway and just not telling anyone.
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normalcyispasse



Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Yeosu until the end of February WOOOOOOOO

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
Every year that goes by, the public school contract gets worse and worse.


This.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

normalcyispasse wrote:
pkang0202 wrote:
Every year that goes by, the public school contract gets worse and worse.


This.


So are the university jobs. THe only jobs staying the same are the hagwon jobs, and to be honest those are starting to generally get a bit better (with salaries atleast). Still, most hagwon jobs are crap bottom, so they really only can go up Smile
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