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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: Creating a new curriculum from scratch? |
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I've just been assigned to a school in a designated rural area. I'm the first Western teacher the school ahs ever had, and their crriculum is very inadequate, not consucive for teaching speaking at all.
My school seems fairly open to suggestion, in fact, I get the feeling they're kind of hoping I'll tell them what to do. What are the best places/means to create a new curriculum? I basically have to start these middle school kids from scratch--- they have the speaking abilites of a seven-year old at a hagwon.
What are the best resources for building a curriculum? Can I get into trouble if I buy just one set of curriculum textbooks and photocopy enough for all the students? Where can I go to look for good curriculum books for students at their level, to at least use as a template and source of ideas? Suggestions for this are very valued. |
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boyne11

Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Make sure you charge them double or triple your salary for creating a brand spanking new curriculum. Otherwise, you're a fool. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Another route might be to use something like "English Time" or "Let's Go".
You could suggest using a series like this as your class textbook or you could just base your curriculum around them and use ideas from them as you need.
I don't know how open they would be to this, but I have heard of cases where schools did agree to this kind of set up.
Just a thought. |
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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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some waygug-in wrote: |
Another route might be to use something like "English Time" or "Let's Go".
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Where can I get these? And Boyne--- you ARE being sarcastic, right? |
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ilovebdt

Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Location: Nr Seoul
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Deffo go the text book route.
You can get Let's Go and English Time at any of the large bookstores i.e Kyobo, Young Poong, Bandi and Lunis, Kim and Johnson.
If you aren't near Seoul I am sure your co-teacher could help you order them online.
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:53 am Post subject: |
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He wasn't joking. You should be paid well over and above for devloping that. Way back when, I did some development for a new kiddie school, but as a consultant, not an employee. I got 5 million plus expenses, and that was cheap. I just didn't have much experience at the time. That was 10 years ago or so, though. Good luck. |
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Richard Krainium
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:56 am Post subject: |
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I got a great idea for you. Make photo copies of Magic Time, English Time and Let's Go. Put your name down as the author. Sell them to the students. Get rich quick. After your year is up leave town. Nobody will be none the wiser. After all, isn't that the Korean way?  |
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Jizzo T. Clown

Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Location: at my wit's end
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: |
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This seems to be a widespread problem in Korea. They want you to create everything from scratch then when test time comes they want control over the questions. They use textbooks that are light years beyond the students' communicative levels so when the students see things like "I like red" in English class they don't take it seriously:
"Will this be on the test" if yes--write everything down verbatim, if no, continue talking to classmate in Korean. The perceived goal of speaking activities is to get to the end of the activity in the fastest way possible--by speaking Korean or copying answers. God forbid they have to do what is designed and practice language patterns, etc. with their peers.
Add to this what seems to be minimal support in the areas of classroom management and lesson planning and what you've got is a system that's broken yet doesn't want to be fixed. They try to placate us by having open classes, where we can "share ideas" which are forgotten the moment after a Korean starts speaking.
Oh--use a book and follow it to the letter. If coteachers complain that your classes aren't interesting enough, ask them to help you write out a curriculum that will engage the students. That should send them running for the hills, or at least, they won't bring it up again. |
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Leavingkorea
Joined: 27 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Teachers teach and base lessons and lesson plans on established curriculum.
Curriculum designers develop the curriculum that teachers will use, as a guide line, for instructing their students.
These are 2 totally separate jobs. They should thus be paid independently.
Let me ad a simple example. If your construction company was hired to build a bridge for a city, would you expect the city on your first day of work to tell you to draw-up all the blue prints too? |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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Curriculum is the "goal" of learning. The content that students will cover and be expected to gain competence and mastery of. It is not a book, a system, a thing.
In fact, curriculum in its largest sense, is the alive portion of the English language. Huge and everywhere, mostly free.
That said, yes, teachers need guidance and especially when new or dealing in specialized subjects, need to have curriculum provided (guidance) by professional curriculum designers. This doesn't mean that they (teachers) shouldn't be adding their own content to the curriculum, putting in their own materials and "two cents" . Too many don't to any significant degree and teaching suffers when there is no personalization towards the teachers own interests/competencies. I think we as teachers should always not just adapt but create curriculum / materials / content for our students. It is our job.
So on a very general level, I disagree with this statement.
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These are 2 totally separate jobs. They should thus be paid independently.
Let me ad a simple example. If your construction company was hired to build a bridge for a city, would you expect the city on your first day of work to tell you to draw-up all the blue prints too? |
Of course, if you are making lots of materials and designing the "goals", you should get paid MORE but it still is part of a teachers job and we shouldn't look at teaching and curriculum design as "seperate". That is a big problem.
My own metaphor would be -- wouldn't you like to live in a house that your teacher built and not one built by some sterile contractor?
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject: Curriculum... |
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If you are going to write, then make sure it is something that translates into usable language for the learners. There is plenty of the sterile, mundane curriculum stuff floating around out there. This is one of the reasons the language learning levels are so low in Korea to start with. Somewhere in the mix, easy and standard became the rule for developing curriculum rather than what will help students master English more effectively... You should get paid more...That has always been the case when my school asked me to do a special project in developing curriculum...The school will take whatever you give them for free if you let them, but the people who have posted here are telling you the scoop about how to make the experience more appealing to you.
Remember, you can do it the regular way and get the regular results, or you can begin to think outside the box a little and come up with creative ways to write your curriculum that will make it fun for you and the students when they are learning English...That's my advice... |
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Leavingkorea
Joined: 27 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
Of course, if you are making lots of materials and designing the "goals", you should get paid MORE but it still is part of a teachers job and we shouldn't look at teaching and curriculum design as "seperate". That is a big problem.
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Proper teachers working in proper schools in most countries are provided with a curriculum. If they are hired to develop one then they are paid accordingly. There is no doubt that a link exists between a developer and a teacher but they are separate jobs that are separately paid. Not blindly following something (like a blueprint or curriculum) is simple professionalism and is not really part of the discussion as far as I can see. The OP is getting asked to do a lot of nothing. He's not being asked to give feedback on a curriculum or even to modify one slightly. They are being asked to make one from scratch, that will be used by future teachers. That's a different ball of yarn. The OP we can assume will also be expected to give-up ownership of this curriculum which again leads to the "show me the money" part of the argument. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject: Point taken... |
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Leavingkorea, That is why when I do my projects for my school I always copyright and publish before I hand them the final project. This has saved me a couple of times already and it is easy to copyright and self publish these days, so you can quickly eliminate the intellectual property things from the start. The school has no choice, because you have provided them with their curriculum, but the rights to it are yours to do what you please with them... |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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I'm in total disagreement with the general sentiment in this thread.
Yes, we all know what it's like in other countries. Yes, in other countries they do pay you for such a service. Yes, it is a difficult thing to do and you should be recognized for doing extra.
But this isn't like other countries. Koreans simply do not know how to teach English. They are depending on teachers to do a good job, which includes making a curriculum if need be. Why shouldn't you if you are paid to do it? If you look at the majority of job descriptions, it is part of the job teaching English here. If you didn't want to do it you shouldn't have signed the contract.
Any teacher who is worth half of their claim to professionalism shouldn't have a hard time doing it. I have seen teachers in public schools who just sit there when they should be preparing better lessons.
There is no need to be so selfish with your time, you are doing it for your students.
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jangsalgida
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: Point taken... |
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tob55 wrote: |
Leavingkorea, That is why when I do my projects for my school I always copyright and publish before I hand them the final project. This has saved me a couple of times already and it is easy to copyright and self publish these days, so you can quickly eliminate the intellectual property things from the start. The school has no choice, because you have provided them with their curriculum, but the rights to it are yours to do what you please with them... |
I'd like to know about the "ease to copyright and self publish?" |
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