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mateomiguel · Joined: 16 May 2005

I would love to see more internet-style arguments on the mainstream news. Then I might start watching TV news again instead of just reading Google news feeds.

thepeel · Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Clinton did really well with that. I'm very impressed.

The dude is a freelance writer and blogger. He isn't from the NYT or anything. I think it was a sandbagging, but it backfired.

I like Clinton. I like her more and more every day.

thepeel · Joined: 08 Aug 2004

She sure talks like Bill eh? When she says "on balance" in the video she speaks exactly like Bill.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2007/08/09/sot.clinton.medicare.cnn

ddeubel · Joined: 20 Jul 2005

Gopher · Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Kuros · Joined: 27 Apr 2004

There's a difference between antagonism for antagonism's sake and genuine confrontation.

This event seems borderline. At any rate, at least the blogger who challenged Clinton here seems interested in the issues rather than the mere political drama. Case in point from the OP's article:

Gopher · Joined: 04 Jun 2005

If Ashanti were truly interested in the issues, he would seek out more information and other perspectives than the fixed ones he carries around in his head.

ddeubel · Joined: 20 Jul 2005

Gopher,

As always you mischaracterize my position. I'm in no way "championing" the guy. I just said that he has a role to play and I also champion any politician who speaks up and engages in dialogue. So take your linking me as a "Moorite" etc...and stuff it.

I've never said Fox or other big media outlets, very conservative in outlook should not exist or are garbage. I am only against their domination and "buying" of the societal debate through air time and power.

Basically you conform to the old tyme tenents of "conservative" doctrine. Meaning, entrenched power, follow the rules (we set) and status quo, protecting interests. But as you well know, the history of "journalism" is borne of the need of the common citizenry to voice for change, to appeal for change against this entrenched interest. Why most good journalists are in the old sense of the word , "liberal" (and I am talking outside the way you and McGarette usually use this word - so grossly and cheaply and politically).

Once again, you've tried to set up debate so that you can "win". You aren't interested in debate and that is a charge I've made time and time again. You are interested in showing your university professor's given reading list and "winning". Very neocon and very inappropriate in this new world.

And I "categorically" kan't stand you position on the press and its responsibility in part (a big part) for the Iraq war etc.....to not think this and take the blinders on, straight line approach you do towards it, is truly naive and lacking spark or thought.

Gopher, shift happens. Wipe yourself and move on....

DD

contrarian · Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Location: Nearly in NK

In the words of Harry Truman; "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. If you are a politician, expect to be sandbagged a couple of times and quitcherbitchin.

Reporters don't have to by nice, but they should try to stay honest and not do a Dan Rather.

Gopher · Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Paji eh Wong · Joined: 03 Jun 2003

A blogger is not a journalist, and should not be considered as such. CNN should have a warning pop up whenever they let one of these guys near a mic.

I think Gopher's right about what's going on in this guys head. It has more to do with him asserting his "reality" than with the issues and discourse. Its not so much indicative of journalism as it is with what is going on with grass roots level politics in the world.

Hillary handled it well.

Poemer · Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Location: Mullae

Objectivity in journalism entails a dedication to viewing information through a lens that is free from bias, but it doesn't mean checking your critical thinking skills at the door. If information, viewed objectively, reveals a fallacy in a politician's reasoning, then it is the duty of the reporter to put that information front and center in their reporting and show their audience that all the dots don't connect. Reporters should take strong positions when the facts demand it, not when the politicians whose views they agree with benefit from the over-emphasis of "helpful" information and the avoidance of "unhelpful" information, and vice versa. The fact that most media outlets are themselves as generally uninformed, lazy, and uncritical as their audiences, maybe even moreso, is what is so disheartening. Honest analysis is an important apect of serious journalism, anything less is mere reportage.