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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: Finding a Polish plumber is no joke in Warsaw |
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Finding a Polish plumber is no joke in Warsaw
By Patryk Wasilewski
WARSAW (Reuters) - In western Europe, the Polish plumber has become the cliche of a low-paid immigrant who has profited from the European Union's eastward expansion.
In Poland, it is no joke.
The former communist country is short of everything from plumbers to pilots and that is pushing up wages dramatically and encouraging inflation, which threaten to choke off Poland's own economic boom.
Adrian Wisniewski runs a small building repair firm in Warsaw, when he can find the workers.
"Wait, I have to check whether he is still in Poland," Wisniewski responds to a request for a plumber.
Poland, which has central Europe's biggest economy, estimates that as many as 1.5 million workers have emigrated since the country of 38 million became an EU member in 2004. Most have gone to Britain and Ireland.
"This is a huge threat to economic growth, one that could ruin it all," says Krystyna Iglicka, a labor market expert at the Foreign Affairs Studies Centre think-tank.
Officially, Poland still has one of the highest jobless rates in Europe -- 12 percent according to Polish figures -- but that hides the true picture for businesses in need of workers.
A large number of the registered unemployed also work illegally. Many of those in the countryside live a basic existence and are not actively seeking employment. The number of unemployed is the lowest since the late 1990s.
BUILDERS WORRIED
The construction industry is especially concerned given a building boom and growing demand expected ahead of the Euro 2012 soccer championship, which Poland is co-hosting with Ukraine.
"Employment is now the main worry for construction companies, and threatens the pace of their future growth," said Krzysztof Radojewski, an analyst at BRE Bank which estimates the sector is short of 150,000-200,000 workers.
Developers sometimes raid other construction sites and drive off with workers willing to switch jobs for more money. Companies know that they have no choice but to keep paying more.
"We increased salaries by 15-20 percent on average this year, but we had started from quite a high level after increasing them by some 11 percent last year," said Andrzej Wyszynski, general director at road builder Eurovia Polska SA.
While many western European countries are worried about jobs moving to the east, Poland fears its current advantage could quickly be eaten up with wages growing on average at well over 9 percent a year.
"Should the situation continue, which is possible, the Polish economy and Polish businesses will lose their competitiveness," said Jeremi Mordasewicz of the Lewiatan employers' group.
Rapid private-sector pay rises are also bringing demands for higher wages from the state sector. The government would be hard pressed to agree to them, particularly if Poland is to meet conditions for joining the euro currency zone.
STRIKES
The most visible sign of wages discontent came from striking nurses who at one point took over the street outside Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski's office to set up a protest camp. So far, the conservative government has refused their demands.
Meanwhile, central bank policymakers are worried that wages are rising faster than productivity. Interest rates have risen twice this year to 4.5 percent and economists expect at least one more quarter point rise before the end of 2007.
The labor shortage is pushing companies to look abroad, but workers from neighboring Ukraine and Belarus prefer to go to booming Russia, where wages are similar. That means looking to Turkey, central Asia or even further afield.
"We want to bring in workers from Mexico. They have a lot of experience from the U.S. market and are said to be very effective," said Jerzy Zdrzalka, chief executive of Poland's leading developer JW Construction.
But Zdrzalka said that in the past, it had been forced to send back many workers brought from abroad because their skills were not up to expectations. The paperwork for bringing in foreign workers is another problem.
Poland's government still hopes many of the Poles who left for western Europe will return once they have built up some savings and see that they can also get much better paid at home than was once the case.
But a recent opinion poll suggested the hope may be misplaced.
A little over half of those going to Britain and Ireland said they planned to bring families to join them rather than to return home. Many of the remainder did not say they wanted to come back, only that they have yet to make up their minds.
"The next four or five years will be key," said Iglicka. "We will see if all goes well or we face a bust."
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just another day

Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Living with the Alaskan Inuits!!
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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my classmate for my MBA program in the states is a beautiful Polish girl. She is very smart... and she loves world cup soccer!  |
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nzfooty

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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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From the BBC Poland works to stem labour drain
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Poland is being forced to open up its labour market, restrictions for workers from several Eastern European countries have recently been relaxed and overtures are being made to India and China to encourage more workers to come.
Deputy Labour Minister Kazimierz Kubersi told the BBC: "We don't expect that Ukraine and Belarus will solve all our problems. So, we are talking with the Chinese and Indian and Vietnamese governments.
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Everyone wants to go west... |
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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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there is such a massive brain drain in Poland, I remember when they joined the EU and my Polish friends that are UK nationals put up a lot of people to work for the summer.
Now all these same people that came over a few years ago for the summer are now working here permanently, some are working in construction, many are doing Masters degrees in London.
The only people that have been left behind are the ridiculously large amounts of meatheads that inhabit the country. |
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nzfooty

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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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safeblad wrote: |
The only people that have been left behind are the ridiculously large amounts of meatheads that inhabit the country. |
The problem with the brain drain is that it increases the % of the population that is conservative, staunchly catholic and old. As a result, the government consists of a right wing party called PiS, which is in a coalition with LPR, an ultra catholic party (whose leader is the minister of education and removed Kafka, Goethe and Dostoevsky from the required reading lists, replacing with books about JPII) and Samoobrona, whose leader, Andrzej Lepper expressed admiration for Adolf Hitler.
The brain drain is not new to Poland, it has existed for decades. |
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just another day

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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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its sad that Klose plays for the German national team.
POland could have beat Germany in 2006 if Klose played for Poland! |
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nzfooty

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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:44 am Post subject: |
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just another day wrote: |
its sad that Klose plays for the German national team.
POland could have beat Germany in 2006 if Klose played for Poland! |
Same goes for Podolski... though not as good as Klose. |
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dogshed

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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:58 am Post subject: |
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just another day wrote: |
my classmate for my MBA program in the states is a beautiful Polish girl. She is very smart... and she loves world cup soccer!  |
Can you give me her email address? |
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just another day

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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: |
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dogshed wrote: |
just another day wrote: |
my classmate for my MBA program in the states is a beautiful Polish girl. She is very smart... and she loves world cup soccer!  |
Can you give me her email address? |
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just another day

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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: |
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nzfooty wrote: |
just another day wrote: |
its sad that Klose plays for the German national team.
POland could have beat Germany in 2006 if Klose played for Poland! |
Same goes for Podolski... though not as good as Klose. |
was Podolski in the German team in 2002 as well?
I remember Klose from 2002 which is why I followed the Poland Germany game so closely in 2006.
Yeah, I remember she said there was two polish players on the German team! But I only knew Klose's name.
Poland is always a very formidable team when the odds are against them. I admire that.  |
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nzfooty

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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:53 am Post subject: |
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just another day wrote: |
nzfooty wrote: |
just another day wrote: |
its sad that Klose plays for the German national team.
POland could have beat Germany in 2006 if Klose played for Poland! |
Same goes for Podolski... though not as good as Klose. |
was Podolski in the German team in 2002 as well?
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No, he was only 17 at the time. He played in 2006 and was chosen Best Young Player. |
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W.T.Carl
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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When I first worked in Poland it was about 5 years ago. Then it was quite common for Poles to work abroad mainly in the US or Germany. As a matter of fact one of my close friends, who is now a District Attorney in a mid sized city had his soon to be wife ( also an attorney) spend her summer picking apples in Ireland. She couldn't find a job in Poland and she could make and save a years wages in a summer. Then came the EU. Now many go to England to work construction or as maids. As a matter of fact when I was last there ( two weeks ago), a good friend of mine had a party to celebrate his leaving for London to be a waiter. Will he return to Poland? Of course. Could he find a job in Poland "B"? Not at his education level. So he goes to London. This is not to say that Poland isn't improving. It is to a large extent. From 1939 to around 1992 Poland was in the clutches of the Nazi's and the Russians. Almost all of the countries production was stolen. Now things are getting better. Unemployment which was around 30% is now down to about 15%. Building is going on. But there is a long way to go until it reaches western standards. |
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nzfooty

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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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The army of mohair berets:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moherowe_berety
A group that, to a large degree is responsible for the moronic element in the Polish government.
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Mohair berets (Polish: moherowe berety), or "the army of mohair berets" (Polish: armia moherowych beret�w) is a common term used in present-day Poland as an epithet against a major section of listeners of the ultra-Catholic Radio Maryja. These listeners (mostly women) are religious, usually elderly people of traditionalist views, adhering to the Radio's charismatic director Father Tadeusz Rydzyk.
This group of people is often regarded as an important factor in the 2005 parliamentary and presidential elections in Poland, contributing to the defeat of both the liberal and the ex-communist parties and candidates.
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