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Gopher
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 Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: Did the Administration Just Float a Draft Balloon? |
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| [Lieutenant General Douglas Lute,] the "war czar...," says that from a military standpoint, a return to a draft should be part of the discussion..."I can tell you, this has always been an option on the table." |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Can the president introduce the draft by degree? Granted the current democratic congress has been pretty lame but there's no way they'd vote for a bill supporting the draft. I doubt the American people would support a draft or vote for politicians keening to draft their children and send them to a war they don't believe in anymore. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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You mean, "by decree," right? I do not believe so. Raising and funding an army falls squarely under Congress's purview.
The President may propose it, however. I believe if he did this, we would see massive pressure to end the war ex post haste. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
You mean, "by decree," right? I do not believe so. Raising and funding an army falls squarely under Congress's purview.
The President may propose it, however. I believe if he did this, we would see massive pressure to end the war ex post haste. |
Right. 9 am here when I type that. I'm not sure why the war czar (shouldn't that be Bush's job anyway? cutting through the red tape? is he busy with anything else these days? if he felt he didn't have time to wage a war, why did he start one?) would even float such an idea. I think he's maybe more just showing how tied his hands are. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure why... |
Who knows? Perhaps he was spontaneously speaking his own mind. But that is how floating crazy ideas works in Washington: put someone else out there to draw any and all fire. Instruct them to say something "on background" or bring it up tangentially, as if it were not the most important thing in the interview. And see what happens. The President stays above the fray and, if necessary, can always disavow it. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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My understanding is that the military has never wanted a draft. As such, it would be more mismanagement by the administration.
Shoot the balloon down! |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Are legal immigrants at risk of being drafted? |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Are legal immigrants at risk of being drafted? |
It depends. Are said immigrants American citizens or not? If not, no. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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| Are legal immigrants at risk of being drafted? |
It depends. Are said immigrants American citizens or not? If not, no. |
Wrong. According to the Selective Service's website:
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| Almost all male U.S. citizens, and male aliens living in the U.S., who are 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service. |
Check the rest of that page. Even illegal aliens are required to register. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| BJWD wrote: |
| Are legal immigrants at risk of being drafted? |
It depends. Are said immigrants American citizens or not? If not, no. |
Wrong. According to the Selective Service's website:
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| Almost all male U.S. citizens, and male aliens living in the U.S., who are 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service. |
Check the rest of that page. Even illegal aliens are required to register. |
Damn! That was a fast refutation. You came out of nowhere. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm 28. Good. I'd rather date Dong Bang Shin Gi than fight for muslim democracy in Iraq.. My lord, I'd be in Canada quickly. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm 28. Good. I'd rather date Dong Bang Shin Gi than fight for muslim democracy in Iraq.. My lord, I'd be in Canada quickly. |
I think you'd be okay, anyway. It states on the website that visa-holders are exempt from the draft. Only undocumented (illegal) aliens and permanent resident aliens get drafted. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm 28. Good. I'd rather date Dong Bang Shin Gi than fight for muslim democracy in Iraq.. My lord, I'd be in Canada quickly. |
I think you'd be okay, anyway. It states on the website that visa-holders are exempt from the draft. Only undocumented (illegal) aliens and permanent resident aliens get drafted. |
I'll be a PR inside of 6 months I figure. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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It states that certain visa holders are exempt. Here is the registration requirement chart. Note: parolee in this instance is a particular status relating to Immigration, not a status relating to incarceration.
By the way, didn't the Canadian government state not so long ago that it would no longer be a refuge for US draft dodgers?
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
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| I'm 28. Good. I'd rather date Dong Bang Shin Gi than fight for muslim democracy in Iraq.. My lord, I'd be in Canada quickly. |
I think you'd be okay, anyway. It states on the website that visa-holders are exempt from the draft. Only undocumented (illegal) aliens and permanent resident aliens get drafted. |
I'll be a PR inside of 6 months I figure. |
This hasn't been a good thread for me. Best I retire from it now. |
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