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arjuna
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:39 am Post subject: Occupation 101 - Ilan Pappe |
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Occupation 101
Israeli historian Ilan Pappe describes the period around the declaration of Israel's independence as one during which the indigenous Palestinian population was ethnically cleansed from the land when they were forced from their homes or fled in terror after hearing news of rapes and massacres at other villages. Today, the situation is not much better for the Palestinians under Israeli rule. "To make things so difficult for the Palestinians so that anyone who wants a normal life will leave."
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8481947913401709466&hl=en |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Didn't Israel enemies in 1948 try to do the same or worse to the Jews of the area?
There would be no occupation would be over if Arafat had accepted Bill Clintons offer. |
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just alittlecrazy
Joined: 30 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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arjuna
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| You can think what you want. It is your right as a human being to have your opinions and to choose what to do. However, do not pretend to be fair-minded or knowledgeable when you refuse to even look at facts. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Not sure if you think of the Koran as "Factual",
but apparently the 'ethnic cleansing' in the region started with mohammed, the child molester.
Refer to the master Cult-guide, the Koran, for further information.
Apparently he SLAUGHTERED JEWS.........
That is according to the Cult itself.... |
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in_seoul_2003
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
Not sure if you think of the Koran as "Factual",
but apparently the 'ethnic cleansing' in the region started with mohammed, the child molester.
Refer to the master Cult-guide, the Koran, for further information.
Apparently he SLAUGHTERED JEWS.........
That is according to the Cult itself.... |
Can't quite make out the small font. Does it say sundubuman?
Well, this is certainly an unemotional appeal to the facts.
If the Quran is a cult guide does that mean all Muslims are unified under one cult?
I heard that peace treaties were made between the Jews of the area and the Muslims. The Jews apparently broke the treaty not once but twice. War ensued and what happened next was something not uncommon to anything that Christian Europeans have done in the last 1500 years. |
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arjuna
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: |
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So Why Hasn�t Iran Started by Wiping Its Own Jews Off the Map?
Israel's Jewish Problem in Tehran
By JONATHAN COOK
Iran is the new Nazi Germany and its president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the new Hitler. Or so Israeli officials have been declaring for months as they and their American allies try to persuade the doubters in Washington that an attack on Tehran is essential. And if the latest media reports are to be trusted, it looks like they may again be winning the battle for hearts and minds: Vice-President Dick Cheney is said to be diverting the White House back on track to launch a military strike.
Earlier this year Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel�s opposition leader and the man who appears to be styling himself scaremonger-in-chief, told us: �It�s 1938 and Iran is Germany. And Iran is racing to arm itself with atomic bombs.� Of Ahmadinejad, he said: �He is preparing another Holocaust for the Jewish state.�
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There is an interesting problem with selling the �Iran as Nazi Germany� line. If Ahmadinejad really is Hitler, ready to commit genocide against Israel�s Jews as soon as he can get his hands on a nuclear weapon, why are some 25,000 Jews living peacefully in Iran and more than reluctant to leave despite repeated enticements from Israel and American Jews?
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As Ciamak Moresadegh, an Iranian Jewish leader, observed: �If you think Judaism and Zionism are one, it is like thinking Islam and the Taliban are the same, and they are not.� Iran�s leaders denounce Zionism, which they blame for fueling discrimination against the Palestinians, but they have also repeatedly avowed that they have no problem with Jews, Judaism or even the state of Israel. Ahmadinejad, caricatured as a merchant of genocide, has in fact called for �regime change� -- and then only in the sense that he believes a referendum should be held of all inhabitants of Israel and the occupied territories, including refugees from war, on the nature of the government.
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To step up these efforts -- and presumably to avoid the embarrassing incongruence of claiming an imminent second Holocaust while thousands of Jews live happily in Tehran -- Israel is now backing a move by Jewish donors to guarantee every Iranian Jewish family $60,000 to settle in Israel, in addition to a host of existing financial incentives that are offered to Jewish immigrants, including loans and cheap mortgages.
The announcement was met with scorn by the Society of Iranian Jews, which issued a statement that their national identity was not for sale. �The identity of Iranian Jews is not tradeable for any amount of money. Iranian Jews are among the most ancient Iranians. Iran�s Jews love their Iranian identity and their culture, so threats and this immature political enticement will not achieve their aim of wiping out the identity of Iranian Jews.�
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More important than the welfare of Iranian Jewish families, it seems, is the value of Iranian Jews as a propaganda tool in Israel�s battle to persuade the world that coexistence with the Muslim world is impossible. For those who want to engineer a clash of civilizations, the 3,000-year-old Jewish legacy in Iran is not something to be treasured, only another obstacle to war.
Entire Article here: http://www.counterpunch.org/cook08032007.html |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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In May, Jewish businessman Ruhollah Kakhodah-Zadeh was arrested and later hanged in prison. His crime was never declared in public and any legal proceedings
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http://www.hrw.org/worldreport99/mideast/iran.html
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Human Rights Watch reported the death in May 1998 of Jewish businessman. Ruhollah Kakhodah-Zadeh, who was hanged in prison without a public charge or. legal proceeding. Reports indicate that Kakhodah-Zadeh may have been killed for assisting jews to emigrate.
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http://www.foreignaffairs.house.gov/archives/107/74066f.pdf
From the Guardian
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Iran's Jewish population has dwindled from about 80,000 at the time of the 1979 Islamic revolution but remains the largest of any country in the Middle East apart from Israel. Jews have lived in Iran since at least 700BC.
Hostility between Iran's government and Israel means Iranian Jews are often subject to official mistrust and scrutiny.
In other words - most Iranian jews left and they are often subject to official mistrust and scrutiny.
You didn't read the whole article did you?
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However if someone is a follower of Khomeni that means that they are a Klansman. Those who really follow Khomeni -what is on their mind anyway.
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Four years later, the regime did its best to instate policies and practices hostile to religious minorities. Water fountains and toilets at my high school were segregated, some marked with signs that read �For Muslims Only.� But by and large, Iranians were not receptive to such bigotry. We crisscrossed among the stalls until the signs became meaningless. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/02/opinion/02hakakian.html?ex=1184558400&en=aae4ab19b4dec726&ei=5070
Iran also blew up the Jewish community center not in Israel but in Argentina.
And while this is a little off topic here is a special gift for you and your buddy Pilger about those who you apologize for:
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Islamic judges in Iran have set the precedent that the rape of a Mandaean woman can be regarded as an act of 'purification,' and as such, violators receive impunity. In Iran this defence has been used to acquit men of rapes on Mandaean girls as young as 8 years old (ibid.). |
http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/print?tbl=RSDCOI&id=41501c2123
so what do you have to say?
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| - No. 705Iranian TV Series Based on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the Jewish Control of Hollywood. Throughout the first two weeks of April, the Iranian TV station Al-Alam aired a documentary titled Al-Sameri wa Al-Saher. ... |
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP70504
At any rate followers of Khomeni are fascist bigots. Yep and Counterpunch and their followers are apologizing for fascists - not the first time. |
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arjuna
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Joo, I don't think you are capable of understanding my point of view--namely, that I don't have one.
There are many peoblems in the world, and everyone needs to grow. However, one of the most urgent need at the moment is for the so-called judeo-christian westerners to understand that they are not in any way superior to any other group that is supposed to be in opposition to them. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Joo, I don't think you are capable of understanding my point of view--namely, that I don't have one.
There are many peoblems in the world, and everyone needs to grow. However, one of the most urgent need at the moment is for the so-called judeo-christian westerners to understand that they are not in any way judeo-christian westerners to any other group that is supposed to be in opposition to them. |
The US was better than the Nazis in WW II, and the US was better than the Soviets during the cold war.
What you need to understand is that Bathists , Khomenist and Al Qaedists/ Jihad international are all fascist bigots. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| arjuna wrote: |
Joo, I don't think you are capable of understanding my point of view--namely, that I don't have one.
There are many peoblems in the world, and everyone needs to grow. However, one of the most urgent need at the moment is for the so-called judeo-christian westerners to understand that they are not in any way superior to any other group that is supposed to be in opposition to them. |
Are you sure about that?
How do you want to quantify/qualify cultures? Certainly there is no racial element to ideas, and we don't live in a world without right/wrong, and as such there must be a way to determine which ideas are more valid.
If you want to say that secular Western nations are not any better/worse than aggressively islamist ones, then I'd say your dead wrong.
Or, do you not hold any values to be valuable? |
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arjuna
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| arjuna wrote: |
Joo, I don't think you are capable of understanding my point of view--namely, that I don't have one.
There are many peoblems in the world, and everyone needs to grow. However, one of the most urgent need at the moment is for the so-called judeo-christian westerners to understand that they are not in any way superior to any other group that is supposed to be in opposition to them. |
Are you sure about that?
How do you want to quantify/qualify cultures? Certainly there is no racial element to ideas, and we don't live in a world without right/wrong, and as such there must be a way to determine which ideas are more valid.
If you want to say that secular Western nations are not any better/worse than aggressively islamist ones, then I'd say your dead wrong.
Or, do you not hold any values to be valuable? |
In my view, differences among cultures on Earth are negligible. Individuals are superior in their abilities to other individuals. I don't see any significant event or development that came about through a group effort. Such resonance and leaps in evolution are possible. They have not happened on Earth yet.
What have you (generally speaking) done, as an individual, to claim your arrogance? |
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arjuna
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| If you want to say that secular Western nations are not any better/worse than aggressively islamist ones, then I'd say your dead wrong. |
The western nations appear to me to be more aggressive. Most western people also appear to me to be either ignorant or nonchalant about the aggression of their governments.
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| Or, do you not hold any values to be valuable? |
If you want something absolute: Beauty
Otherwise, "values" are almost always time- and place-specific delusions.
A value that I might champion right now for all localities of Earth, and one that is not a delusion, is: Peace of the Organism. (I am too tired to explain this right now. Maybe later.) |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| arjuna wrote: |
| BJWD wrote: |
| If you want to say that secular Western nations are not any better/worse than aggressively islamist ones, then I'd say your dead wrong. |
The western nations appear to me to be more aggressive. Most western people also appear to me to be either ignorant or nonchalant about the aggression of their governments.
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| Or, do you not hold any values to be valuable? |
If you want something absolute: Beauty
Otherwise, "values" are almost always time- and place-specific delusions.
A value that I might champion right now for all localities of Earth, and one that is not a delusion, is: Peace of the Organism. (I am too tired to explain this right now. Maybe later.) |
More aggressive or more powerful?
You are mixing the two up.
The greatest human rights violators on the planet are enemies of the US and so have most of the greatest killers in history or at least the 20th century |
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