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Tiger Beer
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 Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: At least 200 dead after Iraq blasts |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070815/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_ylt=AtznOxBs.pzRBbfdCpCL3R4DW7oF
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Rescuers dug through the muddy wreckage of collapsed clay houses in northwest Iraq on Wednesday, uncovering at least 200 victims of suicide truck bombings that the U.S. military blamed on al-Qaida.
The victims of the war's second-deadliest attack were members of a small Kurdish sect, the Yazidis, who have been the target of Muslim extremists who consider them infidels.
"This is an act of ethnic cleansing, if you will, almost genocide, when you consider the fact of the target they attacked, and the fact that these Yazidis are really out in a very remote part of Ninevah province where they're, there is very little security, and really no security required up until this point," |
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The carnage dealt a serious blow to U.S. efforts to pacify the country with just weeks before top U.S. commander Gen. David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker are to deliver a pivotal report to Congress amid a fierce debate over whether to begin withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq.
U.S. officials believe extremists are attempting to regroup across northern Iraq after being driven from strongholds in and around Baghdad, and commanders have warned they expected Sunni insurgents to step up attacks in a bid to upstage the report. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| The number is over 500 now. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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Bombings are deadliest since Iraq war began
Officials� death toll estimates range from 250 to 500; U.S. blames al-Qaida
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BAGHDAD - Rescuers used bare hands and shovels Wednesday to claw through clay houses shattered by an onslaught of suicide bombings that killed at least 250 and possibly as many as 500 members of an ancient religious sect in the deadliest attack of the Iraq war.
The U.S. military blamed al-Qaida in Iraq, and an American commander called the assault an "act of ethnic cleansing."
The victims of Tuesday night's coordinated attack by four suicide bombers were Yazidis, a small Kurdish-speaking sect that has been targeted by Muslim extremists who consider its members to be blasphemers.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20274765/
More proof that Al Qaeda is a fascist hate group. |
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sundubuman
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| This is a horrid development. The Yazidis are at risk of total genocide. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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One word:
QUAGMIRE. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
One word:
QUAGMIRE. |
I'm no longer an Iraq War booster, but I find the dogmatic uber-pessimists to be no more attractive than the constant yay-sayers.
A quagmire conjures an image of no movement, and a place where everything sinks downwards. But that one word description of Iraq may not be the most representative. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Tiger Beer wrote: |
One word:
QUAGMIRE. |
I'm no longer an Iraq War booster, but I find the dogmatic uber-pessimists to be no more attractive than the constant yay-sayers.
A quagmire conjures an image of no movement, and a place where everything sinks downwards. But that one word description of Iraq may not be the most representative. |
Iraq has always been a strongly secular state.
That's the ironic part. Osama Bin Ladin (and Al Qaida and all the others) HATED Saddam Hussein and his secular state/government. They'd long wanted to overthrow him.
Of course Bin Ladin and Al Qaida never liked U.S. trying to manipulate and operate goverments in the Middle East either. But the day the U.S. went into Iraq...was probably the happiest day ever for Al Qaida and Bin Ladin. (Two birds with one stone).
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Iraq has always been a strongly secular state. |
Iraq was a secular state because they were forced to be. They had no choice. |
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darkhorse_NZ
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Tony_Balony wrote: |
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| Iraq has always been a strongly secular state. |
Iraq was a secular state because they were forced to be. They had no choice. |
learn to separate the state and the people. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Tiger Beer wrote: |
One word:
QUAGMIRE. |
A quagmire conjures an image of no movement, and a place where everything sinks downwards. But that one word description of Iraq may not be the most representative. |
Why? In a quagmire there is movement, but it's not meaningful. You could also say "flailing about" or some other such. It has been 4 years of this. 4 years with no meaningful change.
To get the supposed improvement they had to bring in tens of thousands more troops. (In addition to the nearly equal number of mercs in-country. Many people do not realize there are nearly 300,000 troops on the ground, all told.) To keep it stable they will have to keep them there.
To take things a little further, to get some semblance of peace in Anbar they had to arm the militias. Militias that are enemies of the current government. If the troops were to leave Iraq?
All the terrorists and resistance fighters do is go to wherever the weak link is.
Someone is going to pop in here (Shall I list their names now? Kreskin would refuse the challenge as too obvious.) and claim the "The Surge" is doing its job. Well, this news blows that all to kingdom come.
Then they'll say the two "lefty" reporters who just came back and had their fifteen minutes of fame on the topic prove it's getting better, but will fail to mention their tour was choreographed by the DoD. They will also fail to mention that the third reporter on that trip wrote a little different story. Naturally, that story got almost no air because it doesn't fit the scripted story.
Why is it not a quagmire?
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| darkhorse_NZ wrote: |
| Tony_Balony wrote: |
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| Iraq has always been a strongly secular state. |
Iraq was a secular state because they were forced to be. They had no choice. |
learn to separate the state and the people. |
I suggest a less narrow view. There was a good deal of intermarriage, mixed neighborhoods, etc. Other than the dictatorship, meaning on a purely socal equality basis (again, excepting the dictatorship), Iraq was the most progressive nation in the area. One of the great failings of the Bush administration was to blow this to pieces rather than take advantage of it. It is now in the process of doing the same in Iran.
Given the Bush administration has blown up and is in the process of staging the blowing up of the two most secular countries in the Middle East, does anyone really believe their aim is the spread of democracy?
I don't. Never have. Never will.
The truth will out. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Tiger Beer"][
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That's the ironic part. Osama Bin Ladin (and Al Qaida and all the others) HATED Saddam Hussein and his secular state/government. They'd long wanted to overthrow |
But they of course hated the US more, and that is the reason there were contacts between the groups
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Of course Bin Ladin and Al Qaida never liked U.S. trying to manipulate and operate goverments in the Middle East either. But the day the U.S. went into Iraq...was probably the happiest day ever for Al Qaida and Bin Ladin. (Two birds with one stone). |
Why don't you give some example of the US trying to manipulate and operate governments in the mideast.
Al Qaeda doesn't fight to protect muslimsAl Qaeda wants to kick to the US out of the mideast so they can conquer it for themselves. And while they are not going to conquer the mideast anytime soon they will keep attacking the US until they get their way or are destroyed. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| keane wrote: |
| darkhorse_NZ wrote: |
| Tony_Balony wrote: |
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| Iraq has always been a strongly secular state. |
Iraq was a secular state because they were forced to be. They had no choice. |
learn to separate the state and the people. |
I suggest a less narrow view. There was a good deal of intermarriage, mixed neighborhoods, etc. Other than the dictatorship, meaning on a purely socal equality basis (again, excepting the dictatorship), Iraq was the most progressive nation in the area. One of the great failings of the Bush administration was to blow this to pieces rather than take advantage of it. It is now in the process of doing the same in Iran.
Given the Bush administration has blown up and is in the process of staging the blowing up of the two most secular countries in the Middle East, does anyone really believe their aim is the spread of democracy?
I don't. Never have. Never will.
The truth will out. |
I disagree wholeheartedly. Iraq was always like this but Saddam was effective in supressing it. |
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