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Why bother teaching in South Korea?
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bafw26



Joined: 01 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:50 am    Post subject: Why bother teaching in South Korea? Reply with quote

I realize that there must be some good reputable employers there, but it seems like a real crap shoot finding one. I traveled to Korea to have a look around and I personally found the people there to be kind of abrasive and overall the place seemed kind of depressing. It's sad how they want and need to learn English, but so often treat their foreign teaching staff like dirt. I am 34 and not very patient when it comes being played or taken advantage of. Am I way off base in my observations??
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Satin



Joined: 26 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the most part, Koreans are kind. What did you find depressing? Probably not the place you want to call home for a year.

Yeah, there are some awful teaching jobs, but there are many more good places. Positions in Korea are no different than elsewhere. You have the good, bad and ugly!

Not much patience? Korea is definitely not for you! What you may think of as being taken advantage of, could be normal employer/employee relations. Different culture; different rules.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems more a case of you not liking the place then the place being inherently bad.....

It may just not match your preferences. Are you "way of base" well you are for some and not for yourself. I mean, you came here and spent a short time (I assume) and made up your mind without having worked or tried living in the country....

It also depends who you interacted with, how you interacted, where you were, what you did...there are many things to consider.
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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found the Koreans to be quite the opposite. They have for the most part been the kindest people I have ever met. I've met a rude and racist people, but then again I've experienced that in my native country too.
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean school directors are scum.

For the most part, the people are extremely friendly. they are a proud people (like Texans) and can sense if you are seizing them up negatively. if you do judge them harshly, they will take a well-then-piss-on-you attitude.

If you have respect for them, they will try to accomodate you.

Just today I went to a place to get fried chicken. I wanted to eat at home, but I didn't know my address, so the owner of the restaurant walked back with me to my place, about a third of a mile. He delivered the food himself. That's dedication to the customer.
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jay-shi



Joined: 09 May 2004
Location: On tour

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's your first post here, and since you're 34 and all I'll play nice. I smell a trollin'...

Korea isn't for everyone, if you're going to get your panties (yes the boys wear panties here too) up in a bunch over some first impressions, then this place might be too much for you.

The Koreans I have met have been for the most part 99% super kind.

I am not sure what you are talking about with the abrasive nature of the people, at work or in public? If it's the latter then you better get used to living in Asia, lots of people here fighting for a finite amount of space.

Anyways good luck ... If you find it too abrasive then stay away.... seems logical...
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Hyeon Een



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: Why bother teaching in South Korea? Reply with quote

bafw26 wrote:
I realize that there must be some good reputable employers there, but it seems like a real crap shoot finding one. I traveled to Korea to have a look around and I personally found the people there to be kind of abrasive and overall the place seemed kind of depressing. It's sad how they want and need to learn English, but so often treat their foreign teaching staff like dirt. I am 34 and not very patient when it comes being played or taken advantage of. Am I way off base in my observations??


I think that you've come to Korea with a negative attitude looking to find faults so you've found them. Faults are easy to find in any country.

If you found the people to be 'abrasive' then I think you've met the wrong kind of people. In general I've found the people to be friendly and kind. Perhaps you've been in the wrong areas.

I also don't like being 'played' or being 'taken advantage of' (who does?) however that's not an issue I've personally had to deal with yet. Like any other country there are people who want to take advantage of you, however they are not the people I've had the displeasure of working with so far.

This country is, in most ways, the same as any other. There are nice people and bad people. There are beautiful cities and ugly cities. There are good potential bosses and bad potential bosses. It isn't all cherry blossoms. It isn't hell. It's just a place.

There's lots of happy expats here, there's lots of unhappy expats here. If you hate it already I suggest you don't stay. A lot of foreigners are happy here, a lot aren't. If you already hate it before finding a job, then you're probably going to be rolling with a negative attitude. Sucks to be you. I suggest you go home. I've met enough middle aged miserable people who hate the country but are still here for god-knows-what-reason that it doesn't need another. The "I hate it but I'm staying" crowd is big enough as it is.

If you still want to stay here then you should try and find a better boss than the one's you've met or spoken to so far. This can be a great, fun place. There are good bosses out there. Keep job searching. Bear in mind that there is a reason a whole bunch of people are happy in this country (and most don't write here).
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Unposter



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This may not be a popular answer but I will say it anyway. Korea is not an easy place to live and work. Many people have problems and leave. For those people who can handle it, opportunities arise and the income possibilities are quite good. There are real reasons why teaching English in Korea is not in the top 10 or top 100 hottest jobs out there. It is probably why there are real opportunites here as well. If you are an Asia-phile and you love beaches, Thailand is better. Japan is modern and clean. If these are things, you just can't live without, please go there. For those people who have it takes (and I don't want to argue what that is -- it is different for different people) the rewards of Korea can be much better than Thailand, Japan and home (wherever you call it). If you think life in Korea will be all peaches and cream, you are in for big surprise. Like all things in life, good things come for those who work for it and have the skills to overcome the competition. Hard work alone will not get you anywhere. If it were easy and simple, everyone would have it, and it would not be worth anything. Simple economics: value is in proportion to having something others don't have. If Korea were that simple, its value would be less. Now, many people don't want to make the efforts to make it here. I don't blame them. Some luck out in their first dive in Korea. Life is unfair. Once again, Korea is not for all. But, I also think that is why it can be quite a rewarding place.
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chopchejoe is right. We deal with the lowest form of life- hogwan owners and directors.
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pest2



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unposter wrote:
Korea is not an easy place to live and work. Many people have problems and leave. For those people who can handle it, opportunities arise and the income possibilities are quite good. There are real reasons why teaching English in Korea is not in the top 10 or top 100 hottest jobs out there. It is probably why there are real opportunites here as well. If you are an Asia-phile and you love beaches, Thailand is better. Japan is modern and clean. If these are things, you just can't live without, please go there. For those people who have it takes (and I don't want to argue what that is -- it is different for different people) the rewards of Korea can be much better than Thailand, Japan and home (wherever you call it). If you think life in Korea will be all peaches and cream, you are in for big surprise. Like all things in life, good things come for those who work for it and have the skills to overcome the competition. Hard work alone will not get you anywhere. If it were easy and simple, everyone would have it, and it would not be worth anything. Simple economics: value is in proportion to having something others don't have.[...]


This is the post I most agree with so far.

Whoever said customer service is good in Korea must have been smoking something funny.

Koreans have a nationalistic inferiority complex. So, as someone said earlier in a different way, if you dont appear to like thier food, dress, or anything that can be applied to them generally, they might lose face and take it personally and hate you.

Abrasive? I dont know. On the surface, people here are quite friendly; especially when you first meet them. They live in a highly social world in which perceptions about how they seem are more important than how they actually are in truth. So for that reason, I think, like most people in North East Asia, they are more polite.

Yes, most Hakwon owners are scum.

Korea is NOT like any other country. But then again, no country is like any other country. The highlights of Korea include a people who care alot about the practices, rules, and rituals of thier culture. Moreso than any of the other 20 or so countries I've traveled to or 4 I've lived in. The best example of this is about food. In my opinion, Korean food is not all that great, but I never really thought about food type, like, and dislike until I got to Korea. In every other place I've been, there is always a variety of food available, and more importantly, the people in those places didnt care what I was eating, how, when, etc.... In Korea, you can be severely chastized for not eating all your rice with your meal. Because that is what the ritual requires... (there are a couple of other places where food is important such as Japan or Italy, but in neither of those will people look down upon you for eating it the wrong way). So, if you find that kind of thing to be very annoying, that'd be one reason to go to nearly any other place.

OP: Dont forget about the audience you submitted this question to. If you ask the people who live in Korea now and have lived in Korea for quite a while if one must be crazy to enjoy living in Korea, what do you expect thier answer to be? If you wanted a more objective view (or at least one from a different perspective), you might read this thread from the Taiwan forum: http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=46924
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) We all like to complain. It gives us something to do.

2) It ain't all that bad.

3) You only hear one side of the story. Remember, the cream of society isn't coming to Korea to teach. You're going to get a lot of social misfits in their own culture suddenly being dumped into a rigid hierarchical society. Much merriment ensues.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
chopchejoe is right. We deal with the lowest form of life- hogwan owners and directors.


I've always assumed the lowest form of life were those who trafficked in prostitutes.
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kimchi_pizza



Joined: 24 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abrasive? Depressing? Try Japan, that sounds like a better match for ya. (Try'n damn hard to keep a straight face!)

You'd be surprised how your experiences are only a reflection of yourself. You sure you're not the one who's abrasive and depressed? Do some inward soul-searching.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans are as kind as they are clueless about English education.
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Kurtz



Joined: 05 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arriving from Australia, I found Korea to be quite a head**** but I drew on my 33 years of life and adjusted. My main goal is financial, so I'm commited to saving and use that to help with the culture shock and things I don't like about the country. On the other hand, there are many expat ESL teachers over here in SK so you can always hang out with like minded people. If you want to save some serious $$ then come here, if you want a beautiful country and open people, don't come here,
As for being "social misfits" well that's debateable. Just because we are not content to be utter consumers, purchasing the latest and greatest in the world of electronics and fashion, SMSing our vote on Big Brother,or watching some soul destroying reality TV shows but rather enjoying a sense of freedom and having the opportunity to live and save good money in another country...well that makes us the select few in the world taking advantage of our education, enriching our lives and bank balance.
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