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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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 Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: It's not about the oil... |
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except that it is.
Oh, and Bush just promised the Saudis we won't leave Iraq on his watch. Period.
Listen to one of the few honest politicians around (Anyone up for a Kucinich/Paul ticket?):
It IS about the oil. And always has been.
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"You would think that by reading the reports that this bill was going to take us out of Iraq. Not a chance. What it would do, it would remove a substantial number of U.S. troops, to be sure, but an equally substantial number would stay. Why would they stay there? They would stay there to protect the contractors. They would stay there to run special missions. It doesn't end the occupation. The base is still staying there. The occupation continues.
But there was another provision of this bill that most American citizens don't even know about. This bill had provisions that the White House asked for, and the Democrats said to the president, okay, this is what you say you want, well we're going to give you what you want. Here's the provision is the provision that I argued against in the Democratic Caucus. This is the provision that says that the Iraqi government must privatize its oil."
"And it's wrapped up as part of a reconciliation program. Really. And, if they don't do it, in this bill that the president just vetoed, if they don't do it, we've said that we'll withdraw our troops without providing for replacement peacekeepers.
I want to run it by you one more time. I want this to sink in. You really need to understand how dangerous the situation is in Washington right now. We have the Democratic Congress promoting President Bush's bill that provides for the privatization of Iraq's oil under the guise of a reconciliation program, that tells the Iraq government that unless they agree to privatize their oil, that we're going to pull our troops out and not put replacement troops and peacekeepers in.
You see, this doesn't represent what America is about. No way. This isn't who we are...
I was told that the following day on the House floor they were going to take it out of the legislation. And you know what? Well, not only did they NOT take it out, but they passed a rule that said they COULDN'T amend the bill when it was up for debate on the floor." |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: |
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The oil is a sideshow. The main point was the kick the crap out of Iraq to make an example of them so that Bush could then point to Iraq and say, "toe the line or that happens to you" instead of the world seeing Sadddam continually giving the US the finger.
It didn't work out too well. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Saxiif wrote: |
The oil is a sideshow. The main point was the kick the crap out of Iraq to make an example of them so that Bush could then point to Iraq and say, "toe the line or that happens to you" instead of the world seeing Sadddam continually giving the US the finger.
It didn't work out too well. |
that is more or less correct. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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And now, reprts have it (from the CBC, BBC and NBC) that in Syria, Saddam is now seen as a martyr and that young Sunni's are joing the fight in Iraq to serve him.
Bush screwed this up so badley it makes me shutter. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
And now, reprts have it (from the CBC, BBC and NBC) that in Syria, Saddam is now seen as a martyr and that young Sunni's are joing the fight in Iraq to serve him.
Bush screwed this up so badley it makes me shutter. |
You write so BADLY it makes me SHUDDER. Don't you sometimes get really tired of your routine? |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Dude, I'm writing responses on a Korean keyboard, on an old crapper computer in my classroom whose monitor is sunken into my desk at an angle behind glass.
So, kiss my grits.
I love how the morons on this board don't debate the issues or points they pick on grammar or typing skills.
How come you're not so critical when the leader of the free world and his mangling of the english language? |
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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So should the oil be nationalized?
Are you a nationalist?
My feeling is that the oil should be commonised.
Administered and leased on short terms, by the UN to corporate entities, with dividends returned in common to individuals born or naturalized within the area of Iraq.
cbc |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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It will remainb nationalized, the Americans and British wouldn't dare to try it any other way. The Arab world (rightly or wrongly) will never allow foriegn oil companies or countries to own the oil. The 1950's and 60's decided this.
Read The Prize by David Yergin for reasons. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
How come you're not so critical when the leader of the free world and his mangling of the english language? |
Who says I'm not? And you clearly do not know how to spell some of the words you use. Your mistakes are not typos or grammar errors. Learn how to use the language you spout off with. Who's the moron here?
You. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| So, what's the point of this thread? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| spliff wrote: |
| So, what's the point of this thread? |
There is no point to this thread.
BLT hates W. Bush. He has told us this a zillion times and in a zillion ways -- each of them utterly devoid of elegance or indeed, intelligence. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Holbrooke: Iraq civil War Is Raging "Out Of Control"
By Arshad Mohammed
Thu May 10, 3:58 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Richard Holbrooke, a former senior U.S. diplomat and a possible Democratic secretary of state, on Thursday described Iraq as a "civil war raging out of control" and a foreign policy crisis worse than Vietnam
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/iraq_usa_holbrooke_dc ...
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
So should the oil be nationalized?
Are you a nationalist?
My feeling is that the oil should be commonised.
Administered and leased on short terms, by the UN to corporate entities, with dividends returned in common to individuals born or naturalized within the area of Iraq.
cbc |
I think it's none of our damned business WHAT they do with it. I think the profits sure as HELL shouldn't be going to US multinationals instead of to Iraqis for the rebuilding of their nation. Nor do I believe we should be threatening to leave and do nothing to set up peace-keepers if we do. It's called a protection racket, and it is illegal. We put thugs in the US in jail for this.
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| spliff wrote: |
| So, what's the point of this thread? |
There is no point to this thread.
BLT hates W. Bush. He has told us this a zillion times and in a zillion ways -- each of them utterly devoid of elegance or indeed, intelligence. |
The OP wasn't about Bush, boy. It was about the Congress.
Further, did I write the story? No. When you lie, you only make yourself look stupid. What you have just claimed is that every person who opposes Bush does so without intelligence. (Elegance? Moron....) The opinions I hold are held by a majority of Americans, boy.
You are saying that Kucinich has spoken without intelligence. Not only is his observation intelligent, it is absolutely correct. And, it is morally and ethically correct. Yet, you defend stealing from the Iraqis. You defend 80% of profits going to US companies. You defend a protection racket.
Get back to your lying, now. I need another good laugh. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| The Kurds don't want the Iraqi government to control the oil revenues and for that matter the Shia are not crazy about the plan either. |
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