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GoldMember
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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 Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Musn't say anything anti-asian |
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Laws is a cranky, racist old nut and it's right to call him on this. Difference is that in Australia there is a backlash to racist statements, where as in the media here there are none.
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| You sound like a pot calling the kettle black. (no pun intended) |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldMember wrote: |
| Virtually every day, the Korean media makes racist, derogotary comments. Racism is the media, text books it's everywhere. |
Exaggerated. Textbooks?
| jaganath69 wrote: |
| Difference is that in Australia, there is a backlash to racist statements, where as in the media here, there are none. |
If someone makes an obviously inappropriate statement on any popular show with a great rating, there's a big backlash by netizens at least, which actually often has an impact. Basically, I rarely/almost never see any racial/ethnic group is directly commented on in a derogotary manner on Korean tv. Partial media coverage? I've seen some. Direct racist comments? Hard to see. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| doggyji wrote: |
| GoldMember wrote: |
| Virtually every day, the Korean media makes racist, derogotary comments. Racism is the media, text books it's everywhere. |
Exaggerated. Textbooks?
| jaganath69 wrote: |
| Difference is that in Australia, there is a backlash to racist statements, where as in the media here, there are none. |
If someone makes an obviously inappropriate statement on any popular show with a great rating, there's a big backlash by netizens at least, which actually often has an impact. Basically, I rarely/almost never see any racial/ethnic group is directly commented on in a derogotary manner on Korean tv. |
Never noticed anyone getting up in arms with the teachers union when they were slagging off foreign teachers as unqualified. When Daejeon hagwon owners were targeting foreign teachers, it was only the English language press who seemed to question the whole thing. English Spectrum scandal? Netizens standing up against racism? Come off it, they were driving the whole damn thing. Maybe not the same ones, but they have the ability to drive the racist agenda as well.
As for specific groups not targeted in the Korean media, that is because there is no need. As Korea is largely homogeneous, it's easy to highlight difference. And whenever foreign teachers are mentioned, it's pretty much given they are talking about white, western males.
Edit, oh yeah, remember Rhie Won Bok's comic book on America? How that man is still an academic is beyond me. Google Andrew Frazer to see what would happen to a member of the ivory tower pulling such a stunt in Aus. |
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Kimchi Cha Cha
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Like Jaganath said, Laws is an arrogant, old, racist, smug *expletive* in the same ilk of Alan Jones and the recently departed Stan Zemanek.
These shock jocks are arrogant, smug jerks who earn their millions by making provocative and sometimes inciteful comments (re: Jones and the Cronulla riots), and who belittle and abuse their listeners who line their pockets. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
I'm all too happy about this outrage, I'm hoping there's more outrage and listeners turn off with more advertisers withdrawing their sponsorship. There's hope in sight, Jones and Laws are getting older and won't be on air too much longer. Never know why people listen to the sanctimonious, racist pricks in the first place. |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| As for specific groups not targeted in the Korean media, that is because there is no need. |
Of course but even when they do make mention of a certain group at times, I don't see them making any rude remarks. I'm just telling Gold Member's accusation's quite exaggerated from any light although probably that was his intended hyperbole.
Netizens are an interesting entity. It's just hard to define them because...simply they consist of people from all walks of life with changing disproportionality on each matter. Even when only 10% of the total netizens pay attention to a certain issue, if they are extremely opinionated and fierce, you would feel much stronger winds from it than from a matter in which even half of the netizens might have an interest. Such complexions aside, I would simply say many comments on anonymous big boards show the overall nature of the netizens is very critical (in whatever way), jaded, cynical, sarcastic and complaintive and their aim is not just following around poorly victimized foreigners as some may imagine here. They have such attitude to everyone/everything. In most cases, it's Korea and Koreans that are bashed by netizens. And those Koreans include them who make awkward statements on tv.
Having said this, the one foreign group who I do think is getting partial media coverage is western males in relation to the ESL industry. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| jaganath69 wrote: |
| doggyji wrote: |
| GoldMember wrote: |
| Virtually every day, the Korean media makes racist, derogotary comments. Racism is the media, text books it's everywhere. |
Exaggerated. Textbooks?
| jaganath69 wrote: |
| Difference is that in Australia, there is a backlash to racist statements, where as in the media here, there are none. |
If someone makes an obviously inappropriate statement on any popular show with a great rating, there's a big backlash by netizens at least, which actually often has an impact. Basically, I rarely/almost never see any racial/ethnic group is directly commented on in a derogotary manner on Korean tv. |
Never noticed anyone getting up in arms with the teachers union when they were slagging off foreign teachers as unqualified. When Daejeon hagwon owners were targeting foreign teachers, it was only the English language press who seemed to question the whole thing. English Spectrum scandal? Netizens standing up against racism? Come off it, they were driving the whole damn thing. Maybe not the same ones, but they have the ability to drive the racist agenda as well.
Since when were foreign teachers a race?
As for specific groups not targeted in the Korean media, that is because there is no need. As Korea is largely homogeneous, it's easy to highlight difference. And whenever foreign teachers are mentioned, it's pretty much given they are talking about white, western males.
Again white Western males are not a race
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jg
Joined: 27 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Doggyiji
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Netizens are an interesting entity. It's just hard to define them because...simply they consist of people from all walks of life with changing disproportionality on each matter. |
Netizens posting on message boards is not the same as the official, established, licensed and sanctioned media. You cannot substitute the two, though i guess you could make claims as to their impact. Netizens report on what the media tells them, they don't make any news, nor do they have to take any real responsibility for what they post on message boards. Just like here at Dave's, I'm sure you will agree.
Not disputing your general point at all, but you make reference to the vast array of native Korean opinions on the internet, however is that different than any other country at all? |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:48 am Post subject: |
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Doggyji, the standard textbooks for sixth grade English class in Korea featured a lesson on "where are you from?"
The CD rom that came with it had a cartoon skit:
Kid in a hanbok: " I'm from Korea!"
kid in a top hat and tails: " I'm from England!" 
kid in a cowboy costume: " I'm from America!"
kid in a loincloth and a bone through his nose: " I'm from Africa!" 
This was in use in 2006, though I've heard they're working on replacing that text. I taught the lesson, but refused to show that clip from cd rom |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:08 am Post subject: |
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well..i'm not sure if a hanbok is much of a step up from a loincloth...at least the latter is utilitarian, plus a bone piercing through the nose is pretty awesome.
i'd say show that to some north american kids and decide which umm...country/continent is cooler.
how about the pics? let's have a poll. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
kid in a loincloth and a bone through his nose: " I'm from Africa!"
This was in use in 2006, though I've heard they're working on replacing that text. I taught the lesson, but refused to show that clip from cd rom |
I went to Yahoo Images and typed in "African Man" and these are among the first 12 images that popped up:
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pest2
Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
kid in a loincloth and a bone through his nose: " I'm from Africa!"
This was in use in 2006, though I've heard they're working on replacing that text. I taught the lesson, but refused to show that clip from cd rom |
I went to Yahoo Images and typed in "African Man" and these are among the first 12 images that popped up:
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that only looks like 3 images to me. |
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doggyji
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| jg wrote: |
| Netizens posting on message boards is not the same as the official, established, licensed and sanctioned media. You cannot substitute the two, though i guess you could make claims as to their impact. Netizens report on what the media tells them, they don't make any news, nor do they have to take any real responsibility for what they post on message boards. Just like here at Dave's, I'm sure you will agree. |
Hi jg. What you said is right. Let me elaborate what I'm trying to say anyway. There are very controversial issues where there's a lot of room for some netizens as a big chunk to make stupid irresponsible moves and there are just plain unjust matters by the stardards of the vast majority that gather consensus very quickly by the aid of the nature of the internet. For the latter, big tides are easily formed and I find the official Korean media does pay attention to such big online tides and often makes comments on them. The official Korean media and netizens en masse affect each other directly or indirectly. Netizens pressure the official media to deal with certain issues if they feel it hasn't been covered at all or just not enough. Also, new social trends or phenomena are easily hinted by observing netizens. New popular terms in everyday convos are often coined by netizens online. You eventually see these appear in the mainstream media.
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| kid in a loincloth and a bone through his nose: " I'm from Africa!" |
I guess the bone and referring to the name of the continent rather than the country unlike other kids is wrong/weird. Maybe the author/illustrator could've put a kid in a loincloth with a bow who says "I'm from (a tribe in) Botswana" instead. But then I guess the author wanted students to learn "Africa" rather than "Botswana". How would you change it? |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| pest2 wrote: |
| that only looks like 3 images to me. |
| djsmnc wrote: |
I went to Yahoo Images and typed in "African Man" and these are among the first 12 images that popped up |
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