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CAN BEIRUT EVER AGAIN BE THE PARIS OF THE MIDEAST?

 
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stevemcgarrett



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:30 am    Post subject: CAN BEIRUT EVER AGAIN BE THE PARIS OF THE MIDEAST? Reply with quote

CNN International is currently running a news segment on life in Beirut in the aftermath of last year's conflict with Israel.

Hezbollah has opened a temporary museum in the city commemorating the "magnificent Muslim victory" over the Jews. This is no ordinary exhibition of war memorablia. It is a sickness of hateful indoctrination.

Instead, it shows displays of dead Israeli soldiers, a mock up of a crashed Israeli helicopter with dismembered bodies of the crew and a neon display to replicate fire as a patriotic song plays.

There are displays of Israeli weapons confiscated from POWs or otherwise captured on the battlefield and marked cases of personal items, eerily similar to those one views in Holocaust museums in Europe and America.

Most egregrious, however, is the gift shop. It sells video games to kids that reinact the war with points awarded for the number of Israelis killed, including civilians. There are children's books triumphantly chronicling the "victory of Islam" or the infidel and advice books for parents about the Jewish faith and why it is a threat to Islam that must be guarded against.

REWIND 40 YEARS...

My father visits Beirut, then called the "Paris of the Mideast," on R&R from his Air Force post in Malta, in the Mediterranean. He was to visit it briefly, again, in the wake of the Six Day War, in 1969, from Wheelus AFB in Tripoli (the one in Libya), just before a colonel named Khadafy came to power.

The airy and cheerful cafes lining the boulevards and the liveliness of the city were all in abundant evidence. Lebanese were proud of their heritage but even prouder of their city's artistic bent, outward looking geniality, and its ambience.

What has happened since? Of course, there has been the rise of Hezbollah, the colonization of the Syrians, and the subsequent infiltration of Iranian extremists and later Qud advisors. Two border conflicts with Israel and the assassination of a president. The recent suppression of a militant stronghold by the Lebanese authorities lingers on.

But what of the citizenry? How might this sordid metamorphosis have managed to transpire? And what does this portend for other moderate states in the region, of which there are already precious few?

If Lebanon cannot revive its glorious past, then what's to keep the large Palestinian refugee community in Jordan from dethroning the monarchy, of economic terrorism from destabilizing the Gulf States and Egypt becoming a hotbed of radical unrest fulfilling the threats of those who assassinated Anwar Sadat a quarter century ago?

For myself, I hold out little hope in the short run. Radicalized Islam is on the verge of doing what Nasser's nationalism could not: providing a theme uniting all the disenfranchised and disgruntled elements in the region, with terrorism as its tactic of choice and extremist intolerance as its guiding principle.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As one who knows the region well, I can say that Hezbollah built this museum for political posturing. It is a game of political chess to play to internal politics. Steve, you used the word Islam. Which Islam? You are making it seem that people are monolithic. That they are not. While the Christians were divided recently in an election and voted for a candidate in a by-election that was allied to Hezbollah the Sunnis unequivocally in another by election voted for a Sunni allied to Hariri who is strongly opposed to Hezbollah. Christians in Lebanon among the Maronite Catholics were complaining that Muslims in Lebanon were not enough on the same page about Syria. Now, the Sunnis are more on the right page, but not enough Christians are... It is a paradox. However, the good news is that the Maronites have strongly moved away from the camp of General Michel Aoun who is allied to Hezbollah. Did you read in detail about the election before commenting? I did. The results showed the Maronites are nervous about Aoun's alliance with Hezbollah and voted for Gemayel. The pro-Aoun candidate won, because a slight majority of Greek Orthodox voted (56%) voted for the pro-Aoun candidate and the Armenians were instructed (it was dumb) to vote for the pro-Aoun candidate. If the Armenians voted differently Aoun would have been smashed. Hezbollah probably would suffer losses in a parliamentary election because the Sunnis and Maronites have backed away. A slight minority of Shiites have as well. How can Hezbollah get very far if more Christians and Sunnis and most Druze say no? They can't unless the Shiites want to fight all those groups.

As far as Jordan, they are weary of Al Qaeda. They are used to Israel.
The Jordanian bedouins are loyal to the King of Jordan. Everyone knows that. Enough Palestinian-Jordanians don't want trouble, but they want the suffering of their Palestinian relatives to end naturally.

What you are seeing is not things getting worse, but things that have existed manifesting. Also, do not forget the fact that Sunni elements in Iraq are fighting Shiite elements has pushed many non-Palestinian Sunnis away from liking Hezbollah.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: CAN BEIRUT EVER AGAIN BE THE PARIS OF THE MIDEAST? Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:


The airy and cheerful cafes lining the boulevards and the liveliness of the city were all in abundant evidence. Lebanese were proud of their heritage but even prouder of their city's artistic bent, outward looking geniality, and its ambience.

What has happened since? Of course, there has been the rise of Hezbollah, the colonization of the Syrians, and the subsequent infiltration of Iranian extremists and later Qud advisors. Two border conflicts with Israel and the assassination of a president. The recent suppression of a militant stronghold by the Lebanese authorities lingers on.

But what of the citizenry? How might this sordid metamorphosis have managed to transpire? And what does this portend for other moderate states in the region, of which there are already precious few?


Well Beirut recovered remarkably after the civil war. The center of the city was quite nice and all those cafes and nightclubs were back. I don't know what has happened since last summer, but trust me, Beirut was quite alive and kicking. Outside Dubai, it was the most happening place in the M.East.

Anyway, here's the thing: it is the Shia. They're the rednecks of Lebanon. They're ignorant and not cosmopolitan like the Christians and Sunni of Lebanon are. That's mainly because the Shia were at the bottom of the social scale for most of Lebanon's history while the other two groups prospered and have a history of trading and commerce with everywhere else in the world.
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:

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That's mainly because the Shia were at the bottom of the social scale for most of Lebanon's history


You may have a point there; I've heard as much. What do historians of the region attribute their low status to?

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Steve, you used the word Islam. Which Islam? You are making it seem that people are monolithic.


I think you need to reread my OP; the slogans about Islam were written by Hezbollah front men. It's not my description. It demonstrates how monolithic they imagine Islam to be, or wish for it to be.

I'm aware of most of the rest of what you said, except for the business about the Armenians. But my pivotal concern remains: what has become of Beirut and can it realistically expect to fully flourish again?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
bucheon bum wrote:

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That's mainly because the Shia were at the bottom of the social scale for most of Lebanon's history


You may have a point there; I've heard as much. What do historians of the region attribute their low status to?

Adventurer wrote:

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Steve, you used the word Islam. Which Islam? You are making it seem that people are monolithic.


I think you need to reread my OP; the slogans about Islam were written by Hezbollah front men. It's not my description. It demonstrates how monolithic they imagine Islam to be, or wish for it to be.

I'm aware of most of the rest of what you said, except for the business about the Armenians. But my pivotal concern remains: what has become of Beirut and can it realistically expect to fully flourish again?



As a historian of the region and other regions, I would attribute the fact that the Shiites were oppressed during the Ottoman Empire by the Sunnis while the Christians were backed by the Europeans. The Shiites were oppressed and neglected, but they finally emerged with a vengeance under the guidance of Iranian-born Iman Mousa Sadr who was reportedly of Lebanese ancestry. He disappeared mysteriously en route to Italy from Libya. No one is sure who killed him. The Shiites emerged as a major force essentially after the Israel invasion of Lebanon.


Yes, I believe Beirut will flourish again, but it will take time. Damascus will also flourish, and that will take time. There are things that need to be resolved politically in the region.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. I've heard this Paris of the Middle East every decade. The place blows itself up. People remind us it used to be the Paris of the Middle East. It rebuilds. It is pronounced the Paris of the Middle East again. Repeat.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
Yes. I've heard this Paris of the Middle East every decade. The place blows itself up. People remind us it used to be the Paris of the Middle East. It rebuilds. It is pronounced the Paris of the Middle East again. Repeat.



Beirut does not need the appellation -Paris of the Near East. It is not in Europe. What Lebanon needs is the moving of more Shiites to the centre and away from the Iranian orbit just as Sunnis and Christians have come to more and more of an understanding and are more moderate. In Lebanon there is a regional fight at play. You have the Sunni Arabs outside of Lebanon who are on the side of the majority of Christians and Sunnis as represented by most of parliament and the government and the president and many parliamentarians connected to Michel Aoun and Hezbollah and they are tied to Iran and Syria. Both Iran and Syria are using Lebanon. Syria is using Lebanon to help protect it from Israel and the U.S. and the same for Iran. Syria would abandon Hezbollah if Israel and Syria signed a peace treaty. Since that is too difficult to be achieved, the Lebanese electorate needs to give more seats to the moderates which is achievable. That is what has to happen.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Way too many cities in the world claim to be the "PARIS OF _____" in this world.

If Beirut isn't the Paris of the Mideast right now, there are probably two or three of four other ones this year alone which are claiming to be.
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duns0014



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are displays of Israeli weapons confiscated from POWs or otherwise captured on the battlefield and marked cases of personal items, eerily similar to those one views in Holocaust museums in Europe and America.


This is as bad as any "Bush=Hitler" sign at an anti-war rally. Omg, jews got killed, they're nazis!
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