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Pluto
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 Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: 15th August 1945 |
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So I was at work today and one of my coworkers figured out we had Wednesday off for a holiday and he didn't know what Holiday it was. I told them that this day, V-J Day is a rather important day in the US as we are both Americans. Puzzled, he looked at me and asked everyone, "What is V-J Day?" Everyone, both Canadian and American, had no Idea what it was or why it should be important to us. I am a US military veteran so I take these days rather seriously. However, since this day is so important fopr all of us, no matter what English speaking nation you come from...
Have you given much thought to it?
If so...
How would you like to spend the day?
or...
Do you not know what happened on this day?  |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC
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V-J Day: Victory over Japan Day. The day that the Japanese Emperor announced the surrender. This was followed on 2 September 1945 with the formal surrender accepted by General McArthur on the decks of the USS Missouri in Tokyo Harbor.
How can you not know this?
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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It was the first such "day of infamy" for the US prior to 9/11...
You want to see something scary, ask an American Serviceman what is
V-J Day? You will see alot of headscratching there.
Although I'm 30, I only know about 08/15/45 because of 2 reasons;
1- I LOVE history
2- Almost every country celebrates that date as its day of liberation from Japan (Korea, China, Taiwan to name a few)
You know, it will take another world war before the world finally realizes the horror of war
Lets hope it never gets that far |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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How long will V-J day be important? How long should we remember it?
In the 16th century Korea also had a V-J day,not once but twice. They were called the Imjin Wars and consisted of some of the most spectacular and largest naval battles in human history. If the koreans had not stopped the barbaric samurai, they would have gone on to the rest of asia, to china and beyond. Koreans, along with chinese help, saved human civilization.
so yes, let's remember WWII but let's also remember the Imjin Wars and the brave koreans.
http://www.amazon.com/Imjin-War-Sixteenth-Century-Invasion-Attempt/dp/8995442425/ref=sr_1_1/002-0597191-5451265?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187051029&sr=8-1
Here's part of one reader's review.
"...It outlines the events of the war itself (massive in comparison to any war that occurred in Europe at the time), and looks at the geo-strategic nature of the conflict: In order for Japan to become an Imperial nation, indeed to expand its borders in any way, it needed to move west to the mainland, through Korea, and on towards China with its weakening Ming dynasty. Japan's invasion of Korea was an attempt to grasp this empire, a policy that continued into the 20th century, and influenced Japan's involvement in World War II.
If you want to understand the roots of this centuries-old conflict, this is the place to start. The author is trained academically, but this doesn't slow the clarity of the tale itself; it just underlies the accuracy of the research behind it. It is a work that stands along with Bruce Cuming's The Origins of the Korean War, and well worth reading." |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| komerican wrote: |
How long will V-J day be important? How long should we remember it?
In the 16th century Korea also had a V-J day,not once but twice. They were called the Imjin Wars and consisted of some of the most spectacular and largest naval battles in human history. If the koreans had not stopped the barbaric samurai, they would have gone on to the rest of asia, to china and beyond. Koreans, along with chinese help, saved human civilization.
so yes, let's remember WWII but let's also remember the Imjin Wars and the brave koreans.
http://www.amazon.com/Imjin-War-Sixteenth-Century-Invasion-Attempt/dp/8995442425/ref=sr_1_1/002-0597191-5451265?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187051029&sr=8-1
Here's part of one reader's review.
"...It outlines the events of the war itself (massive in comparison to any war that occurred in Europe at the time), and looks at the geo-strategic nature of the conflict: In order for Japan to become an Imperial nation, indeed to expand its borders in any way, it needed to move west to the mainland, through Korea, and on towards China with its weakening Ming dynasty. Japan's invasion of Korea was an attempt to grasp this empire, a policy that continued into the 20th century, and influenced Japan's involvement in World War II.
If you want to understand the roots of this centuries-old conflict, this is the place to start. The author is trained academically, but this doesn't slow the clarity of the tale itself; it just underlies the accuracy of the research behind it. It is a work that stands along with Bruce Cuming's The Origins of the Korean War, and well worth reading." |
Yes Korea stopped Japan in the Imjin Wars in the 16th century, but didnt Japan conquer and colonise Korea and much of Asia later. And didnt Koreans support Japans efforts by acting as prison guards and supplying women to the Japanese soldiers. Your point is moot. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| komerican wrote: |
How long will V-J day be important? How long should we remember it?
In the 16th century Korea also had a V-J day,not once but twice. They were called the Imjin Wars and consisted of some of the most spectacular and largest naval battles in human history. If the koreans had not stopped the barbaric samurai, they would have gone on to the rest of asia, to china and beyond. Koreans, along with chinese help, saved human civilization.
so yes, let's remember WWII but let's also remember the Imjin Wars and the brave koreans.
http://www.amazon.com/Imjin-War-Sixteenth-Century-Invasion-Attempt/dp/8995442425/ref=sr_1_1/002-0597191-5451265?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187051029&sr=8-1
Here's part of one reader's review.
"...It outlines the events of the war itself (massive in comparison to any war that occurred in Europe at the time), and looks at the geo-strategic nature of the conflict: In order for Japan to become an Imperial nation, indeed to expand its borders in any way, it needed to move west to the mainland, through Korea, and on towards China with its weakening Ming dynasty. Japan's invasion of Korea was an attempt to grasp this empire, a policy that continued into the 20th century, and influenced Japan's involvement in World War II.
If you want to understand the roots of this centuries-old conflict, this is the place to start. The author is trained academically, but this doesn't slow the clarity of the tale itself; it just underlies the accuracy of the research behind it. It is a work that stands along with Bruce Cuming's The Origins of the Korean War, and well worth reading." |
Yes Korea stopped Japan in the Imjin Wars in the 16th century, but didnt Japan conquer and colonise Korea and much of Asia later. And didnt Koreans support Japans efforts by acting as prison guards and supplying women to the Japanese soldiers. Your point is moot. |
but what does that have to do with the Imjin wars? Every nation goes through high points and lows. The US allowed itself to lose it's pacific fleet through the Japanese attack (although recovered later).
as for supporting japanese efforts keep in mind that the US agreed to japanese imperialism in Korea, and to the disappearance of korea as a soveriegn state, as long as the japanese didn't impinge on US colonial interests. The US was a friend of our enemy the Japanese until the US got its own arse bitten. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| komerican wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
How long will V-J day be important? How long should we remember it?
In the 16th century Korea also had a V-J day,not once but twice. They were called the Imjin Wars and consisted of some of the most spectacular and largest naval battles in human history. If the koreans had not stopped the barbaric samurai, they would have gone on to the rest of asia, to china and beyond. Koreans, along with chinese help, saved human civilization.
so yes, let's remember WWII but let's also remember the Imjin Wars and the brave koreans.
http://www.amazon.com/Imjin-War-Sixteenth-Century-Invasion-Attempt/dp/8995442425/ref=sr_1_1/002-0597191-5451265?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187051029&sr=8-1
Here's part of one reader's review.
"...It outlines the events of the war itself (massive in comparison to any war that occurred in Europe at the time), and looks at the geo-strategic nature of the conflict: In order for Japan to become an Imperial nation, indeed to expand its borders in any way, it needed to move west to the mainland, through Korea, and on towards China with its weakening Ming dynasty. Japan's invasion of Korea was an attempt to grasp this empire, a policy that continued into the 20th century, and influenced Japan's involvement in World War II.
If you want to understand the roots of this centuries-old conflict, this is the place to start. The author is trained academically, but this doesn't slow the clarity of the tale itself; it just underlies the accuracy of the research behind it. It is a work that stands along with Bruce Cuming's The Origins of the Korean War, and well worth reading." |
Yes Korea stopped Japan in the Imjin Wars in the 16th century, but didnt Japan conquer and colonise Korea and much of Asia later. And didnt Koreans support Japans efforts by acting as prison guards and supplying women to the Japanese soldiers. Your point is moot. |
but what does that have to do with the Imjin wars? Every nation goes through high points and lows. The US allowed itself to lose it's pacific fleet through the Japanese attack (although recovered later).
as for supporting japanese efforts keep in mind that the US agreed to japanese imperialism in Korea, and to the disappearance of korea as a soveriegn state, as long as the japanese didn't impinge on US colonial interests. The US was a friend of our enemy the Japanese until the US got its own arse bitten. |
Because you said that Korea "saved human civilization" by defeating Japan in the Imjin Wars. Yet Japan still rampaged, pillaged, stormed, destroyed and raped your Great grandma years later. So I guess nothing was really saved.. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| komerican wrote: |
How long will V-J day be important? How long should we remember it?
In the 16th century Korea also had a V-J day,not once but twice. They were called the Imjin Wars and consisted of some of the most spectacular and largest naval battles in human history. If the koreans had not stopped the barbaric samurai, they would have gone on to the rest of asia, to china and beyond. Koreans, along with chinese help, saved human civilization.
so yes, let's remember WWII but let's also remember the Imjin Wars and the brave koreans.
http://www.amazon.com/Imjin-War-Sixteenth-Century-Invasion-Attempt/dp/8995442425/ref=sr_1_1/002-0597191-5451265?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187051029&sr=8-1
Here's part of one reader's review.
"...It outlines the events of the war itself (massive in comparison to any war that occurred in Europe at the time), and looks at the geo-strategic nature of the conflict: In order for Japan to become an Imperial nation, indeed to expand its borders in any way, it needed to move west to the mainland, through Korea, and on towards China with its weakening Ming dynasty. Japan's invasion of Korea was an attempt to grasp this empire, a policy that continued into the 20th century, and influenced Japan's involvement in World War II.
If you want to understand the roots of this centuries-old conflict, this is the place to start. The author is trained academically, but this doesn't slow the clarity of the tale itself; it just underlies the accuracy of the research behind it. It is a work that stands along with Bruce Cuming's The Origins of the Korean War, and well worth reading." |
Yes Korea stopped Japan in the Imjin Wars in the 16th century, but didnt Japan conquer and colonise Korea and much of Asia later. And didnt Koreans support Japans efforts by acting as prison guards and supplying women to the Japanese soldiers. Your point is moot. |
but what does that have to do with the Imjin wars? Every nation goes through high points and lows. The US allowed itself to lose it's pacific fleet through the Japanese attack (although recovered later).
as for supporting japanese efforts keep in mind that the US agreed to japanese imperialism in Korea, and to the disappearance of korea as a soveriegn state, as long as the japanese didn't impinge on US colonial interests. The US was a friend of our enemy the Japanese until the US got its own arse bitten. |
Because you said that Korea "saved human civilization" by defeating Japan in the Imjin Wars. Yet Japan still rampaged, pillaged, stormed, destroyed and raped your Great grandma years later. So I guess nothing was really saved.. |
well yes, saved until the japanese tried it again. I didn't say saved "forever". It was saved for about three centuries when the japanese tried it again. that's a long time. What do you think the japanese will do three centuries from now? heck even a hundred years from now? They're already talking about getting nukes.
I'm just saying give credit where credit is due and koreans did play a significant role in shaping human civilization. |
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shantaram
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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15 August is also the day that Syngman Rhee declared the ROK, the following year in 1946.
(Did I just state the obvious?) |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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How long will V-J day be important? How long should we remember it?
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Koreans should remember it for a long time. It marks the day Korea was liberated by the Allies from Japanese rule and set on the way to become the rich and influential country it is today. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| lastat06513 wrote: |
It was the first such "day of infamy" for the US prior to 9/11...
You want to see something scary, ask an American Serviceman what is
V-J Day? You will see alot of headscratching there.
Although I'm 30, I only know about 08/15/45 because of 2 reasons;
1- I LOVE history
2- Almost every country celebrates that date as its day of liberation from Japan (Korea, China, Taiwan to name a few)
You know, it will take another world war before the world finally realizes the horror of war
Lets hope it never gets that far |
I am 27 years old. I used to serve in the Army and I know about V-J day. Although none of coworkers knew what it was. Have you asked your coworkers about V-J day?
My only question is how many people understand the iportance of Vicory over Japan? |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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I think the spirit of imperial militarism in Japan is simply not there and the only reason they are considering nuclearization is because of North Korea and the reason South Korea is not denouncing the North for having them is because the South hopes, after reunification (which won't happen anytime soon) they would inherit the nuclear technology.
In essence, Japanese tend to be more logical these days in their politics, but I'm afraid Koreans aren't and I would have to say that, no part of Korea, north or south or unified, should ever possess nuclear weapons.
nukes+emotions= destruction |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| lastat06513 wrote: |
It was the first such "day of infamy" for the US prior to 9/11...
You want to see something scary, ask an American Serviceman what is
V-J Day? You will see alot of headscratching there.
I LOVE history
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What date are you talking about? August 15? The "date which will live in infamy" was Dec. 7, 1941 - the bombing of Pearl Harbor. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just saying give credit where credit is due and koreans did play a significant role in shaping human civilization. |
Human civilization?
Perhaps Korean history and at best East Asian history, but I'm not sure how Koreans affected human civilization.
Yeah perhaps the Japanese would of used Korea as a base to push into China. |
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passport220
Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| lastat06513 wrote: |
| It was the first such "day of infamy" for the US prior to 9/11... |
Victory over Japan was a "day of infamy" for the US? You have your dates/speeches confused. |
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