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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: Guttenberg influenced by Korean Printing? |
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| Under Goryeo rule private merchants actively traded by sea with mainland ports�several arrivals of West Asian trading ships were recorded during the eleventh-century.27 Consequently all of the conditions existed for the transmission of significant technological information from Korea to Europe. |
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| So was Gutenberg influenced or inspired, directly or indirectly, by Asian printing? As Eva Hanebutt-Benz properly observes, �We do not know if Johannes Gutenberg had any kind of knowledge of the fact that long before his invention printing with moveable type was done in East-Asia.�31 Still, as new information is discovered "the notion that knowledge of printing in the Far East could have found its way to Strasbourg or Mainz," in the view of one Western scholar of printing, "becomes more insistent and persuasive."32 While there is no �smoking gun� to establish a direct connection, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence suggesting that East Asian printing influenced early Renaissance Europe, and we may ask why movable-type technology should have differed from other print technologies in its development. While the continuous line of transmission from East Asia to Europe was for a time interrupted, under the mature Mongol empire widespread trade and exchange resumed, and this occurred around the same time that Korea perfected movable-type printing. The continuous line of cultural connection that existed between Korea and Europe through the fourteenth century would have enabled this technology to follow a similar route of transmission as those that preceded it. |
http://www.rightreading.com/printing/gutenberg.asia/gutenberg-asia-9-korea.htm
What are your opinions on this? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Guttenberg influenced by Korean Printing? |
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| just another day wrote: |
| ... The continuous line of cultural connection that existed between Korea and Europe through the fourteenth century would have enabled this technology to follow a similar route of transmission as those that preceded it. |
continuous line of cultural connection between Korea and the outside world???
riiiigggghhhhhht
I buy that. |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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^ but Korean metal printing was developed hundreds of years before guttenberg.
At the time, the Silk Road was the biggest trade route in the entire world. And the mongol empire was the biggest in world history, spanning from east asia, to central europe |
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Captain Corea
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Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Two things...
1) I believe in the possibility of a conection here. I think there's a decent chance of the technology spreading in that direction.
2) Have you looked at the bio of the author of that site? Quite funny actually. |
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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^ actually I checked it out, he is the director of publications at the Asian Art Museum in San Francisco.
He has his BA, MA and PhD in Comparative Literature from the University of Wisconsin Madison.
Pretty impressive guy. He is also a comic book designer, graphic artist, much like yourself captain corea. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
Pretty impressive guy. He is also a comic book designer, graphic artist, much like yourself captain corea. |
Yup, that's what kind of got me chuckling.
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| TOM IN BRIEF: Director of publications at the Asian Art Museum of San Francisco, author, editor, illustrator, translator, graphic designer, jackalope breeder, photographer, webmaster, Mayanist, typehead, blogger, etc., etc., formerly director of Mercury House and a senior editor at North Point Press, one-time acolyte, caterer, cherry picker, delivery boy, disk jockey, driver, janitor, jellybean maker, laborer, mattress salesman, photographer, poster salesman, railyard laborer, Santa Claus manager, smuggler, teacher, tobacco cutter ... |
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Zulu
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| just another day wrote: |
^ but Korean metal printing was developed hundreds of years before guttenberg.
At the time, the Silk Road was the biggest trade route in the entire world. And the mongol empire was the biggest in world history, spanning from east asia, to central europe |
You can extend this line of enquiry to ask whether the world's first printing, from Greece (1700 BC..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A24738618 ) influenced the development of Chinese printing 2,500 years later, and then Korean printing even more recently. You could also ask whether the Chinese learned about books from those (European) Etruscans, circa 600 BC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2939362.stm ). The Silk Road didn't just run East-to-West so the answer for now is.....maybe. |
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just another day
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:12 am Post subject: |
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^ Well they don't know if that artifact came from Greece. They can't recognize the language on it.
The first people with a written language were Sumerians.
I know what you mean about books and paper, but the specific invention i am speaking about is printing technology capable of being mass produced.
without this, education cannot be passed to the masses.
books and written scribe before the Korean printing press was strictly for the elites and rich and only a few copies would be available. if more than one. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:22 am Post subject: |
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let me guess... the op and his four posts on this topic is Korean, defending his heritage 
... what Dave's is becoming |
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just another day
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
let me guess... the op and his four posts on this topic is Korean, defending his heritage
... what Dave's is becoming |
uh... the printing press belongs to the world. not just Korea.
and the author of the website is not korean. he is simply an academic.
why is everyone so uptight here? |
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jaganath69
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| No smoking gun, that is the big problem in this theory and it requires a substantial leap of faith based on circumstantial evidence. The other issue is credibility. Sure the guy has a BA, MA and ABD (not PhD as someone stated earlier), but in comparative literature, not history, which would be the appropriate discipline here. Moreover, the publication is just a web page, not a peer-reviewed journal, which I would want to see a few articles from before I would even begin to consider this matter. |
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just another day
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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^ I know, i guess i am looking for proof that Guttenburg came up with the invention on its own.
While writing may have been made in Egypt independently of Sumer hundreds of years earlier, the trading route between Egypt and Sumer generally gives credence to the latter being the inventor of the first written language in the history of the world. |
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blaseblasphemener
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Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| Who cares who invented it first? The Trump card is, who did something with it? The Koreans must have kept it to themselves, or didn't have the vision to do anything with it. It's like someone with talent that doesn't use it. Sorry Korea, you lose on this one. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Who cares who invented it first? |
ah.... Koreans do! like the op just another day, who will certainly make a seventh post on this topic at Dave's. 
(I just haven't yet accepted the recent turn at Dave's toward Korean nonteachers joining the conversation to promote their culture and get free ESL practice)
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just another day
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Who cares who invented it first? The Trump card is, who did something with it? The Koreans must have kept it to themselves, or didn't have the vision to do anything with it. It's like someone with talent that doesn't use it. Sorry Korea, you lose on this one. |
Actually I suppose you never heard of the Tripitaka.
Unfortunately, many of the books mass produced by Korea, although widely spread in the rest of Asia, and possibly beyond, many of the books in Korea were burned by Mongolians and Japanese invasions.
I suppose jealousy may have been one of the motivators. |
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