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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:03 pm    Post subject: Candidates Under the Radar Reply with quote

On another thread Kuros wrote

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Take Bill Richardson, for instance, who got his experience in diplomacy while in Congress, and later became ambassador to the UN. In addition, Bill is the only governor in the race. Its amazing to me that he is not more popular.


I totally agree. I am a fan of Richardson and will vote for him if he's still in the race on Feb 5th (CA Primary).

Joo and Gopher have also mentioned Joe Biden. I am not familiar with Biden outside foreign policy, but I agree he knows his stuff on that one subject. I would have no qualms voting for him either.

I like both more than I do Clinton (who I can't stand, for reasons I've stated on another thread) and Obama (who I think is devoid of any good ideas).

As far as GOP candidates go, there is Mike Huckabee, who was on the talk shows today and thinks Fred Thompson might be in for a rough ride if he decides to run.

I guess Ron Paul and Sam Brownback fit under this category as well. I honestly am not as familiar with the Republicans running as Democrats.

I guess the point of this thread is to ask: out of the various candidates, who do you think should be getting more publicity? Who is overrated and getting too much publicity?
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron Paul has been receiving disproportionate publicity, populist-style publicity. McCain also gets more publicity than he merits. But McCain has been a heavy-hitter for several years and is running on inertia -- like Dole did through 1996. Clinton and Obama get perhaps more publicity than they deserve because they are minorities, even if I agree that Clinton is well-qualified and deservedly the Democratic frontrunner.

One might ask why Richardson is not getting much publicity. But look at his performance in the debates, his fund-raising efforts, etc. He also comes from New Mexico and not New York, California, Texas, or a critical Southern state like, say, Edwards. How much weight, at the end of the day, do you think Richardson can pull...?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I, too, would like to see Richardson get more publicity. His candidacy is worthy of consideration. He seems a good man with considerable experience.

Maybe if JLo made a jiggle commercial for him...
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biden is better than Richardson in that Richardson has compeltely changed his view on Iraq . Read what he said in 1998. It is no different than what the Republicans were saying then. He has flip flopped . He ought to answer why.

Biden has be consistant on the subject. In fact he is the only one willing to have a debate on Iraq and Iraq only. The other candiates won't agree to it.

Also Biden voted to fund the solders in Iraq. A vote against the funding would have meant no funds for Mine Resistant vehicals. MRAPS. Clinton and Obama voted against it. Biden said he would rather lose the primaries than lose the war.

If Biden doesn't get it. Then I will vote for the Republican candidate. It is a clear choice.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
Biden is better than Richardson in that Richardson has compeltely changed his view on Iraq . Read what he said in 1998. It is no different than what the Republicans were saying then. He has flip flopped . He ought to answer why.




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The Iraq War is costing Americans $8 billion each month. By implementing my plan to de-authorize the war and withdraw ALL troops in six months, we can start redirecting these funds toward what matters most for Americans: improving education, expanding access to quality health care, and addressing the REAL security threats like the Taliban, nuclear proliferation, and global warming. My seven-point �New Realism' plan for Iraq describes in detail what is required.


Richardson's seven-point 'New Realism' plan for Iraq
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He ought to explain why he thought the way he did in 1998. It would also leave Al Qaeda in Iraq and it would leave Iran free in Iraq.

And it would leave US allies like the Kurds unprotected.

In fact it would leave the US in the much the same situation as before 9-11.

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Professor Bernard Lewis' dictum would be self-evident:"America is harmless as an enemy and treacherous as a friend


http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/vietnam-people-america-1821074-times-new
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
He ought to explain why he thought the way he did in 1998. It would also leave Al Qaeda in Iraq and it would leave Iran free in Iraq.

And it would leave US allies like the Kurds unprotected


Sure. But the Kurds are not powerful allies. Not powerful enough to help stabilize Iraq, at any rate. In fact, and this partly has to do with American support of the Kurds, Kurdistan is being called a 'Second Israel' by Arab street. I mean at this point, we might as well pimple the Middle East with Israels, but we do not have too much of a choice now.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the US can move its forces to Kurdistan.

If now the mideast now is calling Kurdistan the second Israel is shows how lost they are. Not like they said a word when Saddam gassed them.


Then again it might be accurate , Build up the Kurds into a second Israel.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The issue is, Joo, Iraq is pretty much screwed up by now. We could argue that a better job of it could have been done, but we had Katrina-indifferent-CINC delegating to Rumsfeld, and we got a disaster.

I don't believe we should give up on the Kurds, either. But I'm not sure that having troops on the ground helps the Kurds. We don't have any troops in Israel. American air power reaches ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE. The Kurds will be fine as long as they don't mess too much with Turkey, but I have a feeling that 10 years down the road we'll have mixed feelings about bailing out the Kurds.

Ever seen Blackhawk Down, Joo? Remember what the General said once the Blackhawk went down?
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyway Biden has a plan I think it is worth looking at.

http://planforiraq.com/

It is more than that the US needs forces in the mid east to deal with AQ and to keep Iran honest.

In my opinion US forces in Kurdistan is a win/ win.

Guerrilla attacks need a loyal populace . They won't find that in Kurdistan.

IF AQ, / the insurgents / Iran want the US out of Kurdistan they will have to invade with massive and then the US can for the first time bring out the B-52s on them.Then the US for the first time in a while fight its preferred type of war. If they try then.


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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

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I, too, would like to see Richardson get more publicity. His candidacy is worthy of consideration. He seems a good man with considerable experience.


Of course, another factor is the "Hey let's milk it" media. The election is still over a year away, and we're already holding debates...

The 2012 campaign begins, well, yesterday.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
anyway Biden has a plan I think it is worth looking at.

http://planforiraq.com/

It is more than that the US needs forces in the mideast to deal with AQ and to keep Iran honest.

In my opinion US forces in Kurdistan is a win/ win.


Joo,

Just as we have, US FORCES IN AFGHANISTAN

and US forces in Pakistan

so, too we have a choice between US FORCES IN KURDISTAN

or US forces in Kurdistan
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
anyway Biden has a plan I think it is worth looking at.

http://planforiraq.com/

It is more than that the US needs forces in the mideast to deal with AQ and to keep Iran honest.

In my opinion US forces in Kurdistan is a win/ win.


Joo,

Just as we have, US FORCES IN AFGHANISTAN

and US forces in Pakistan

so, too we have a choice between US FORCES IN KURDISTAN

or US forces in Kurdistan



ok , but US will need airbases too. That won't be easy to hide.

Anyway the US presence ought to be loud. It ought to send a message.
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greedy_bones



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are two candidates for me. Obama and Kucinich.

Obama's good for a few reasons. One reason is that he was against the war from the outset.

Second is that he is anti Death Penalty. Most democrats support it, and it's a really stupid punishment.

The third reason is that he has one of the most serious plans for campaign finance reform and weakening lobbyist power in Washington.

I like Kuchinich a little more. He's down with all of the things I like about Obama, but he seems much more honest and less politcal. I also agree with his views on funding the war. His main point is that, if the war isn't funded, it will have to end. If we can't afford to keep soldiers there, we'll have to pull them out.

I'm doubtful that Kucinich will get the nomination, so if it's between Clinton and Obama, I'd rather have Obama.
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