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oneofthesarahs



Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Location: Sacheon City

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:21 am    Post subject: Bad reference? Reply with quote

So my contract's finishing up in another 2 months, and I plan on finding a new job in Korea starting in January. Obviously while looking for a job I want potential employers to see that I have already worked for a year in Korea, and see that in my favor. However, due to some recent drama at my school and me standing up for myself, I know that my current employer would spin the situation and give me a bad reference.

So what to do? Do schools really call up your past employers? I'm working with a recruiter who knows about my current situation and has done all he can to help out with it, if that makes a difference. Will his word override a previous employer's?

What's the dealio, people?
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Donkey Beer



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, they will definitely call up your past employer. My former employer told me she received so many phone calls back when i was job hunting.

If there is a Korean you're cool with you can use their number as your reference rather than the school's.

If no Korean likes you it might be a problem.
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got fired from my first job and evicted from my last job (still never got fired or whatever, just stopped getting paid and stopped being housed, so I quit going).

Nobody has ever contacted my past employers. However, for my current public school job I had proof of a REAL teaching job in the States for three years. I also got the letter of rec from my taekwondo kwanjangnim's father. Kwanjangnim wrote the letter but signed his father's name because his father is on some local school board or something.

I honestly believe most hogwon owners know other hogwon owners are awful and thus will still hire you.
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oneofthesarahs



Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Location: Sacheon City

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donkey Beer wrote:

If there is a Korean you're cool with you can use their number as your reference rather than the school's.


How does this work? I'm quite good friends with several Koreans, but how on earth would I get away with that? "Don't call my school, but here's the number of a Korean guy I hang out with a lot. He thinks I'm cool."
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the *beep* finally hit the fan there? I knew from your previous posting about the roommate thing that things weren't all hunky dory.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just don't use them as a reference and look for a higher salary anyway. Or just tell them you had a falling out and explain yourself. Sell yourself. You'd probably be surprised. Just tell them that you want to work for a good place and that whatever place you're applying to seems quite impressive, etc.

Once you have the job, you don't have to worry. Just don't apply in the same area and you'll be fine.


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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go ahead and ask for the certification that you worked at the school. The only information it has is that you worked from 'date' to 'date'. They are really more a certificate of employment rather than a letter of recommendation.

In your resume, list names and phone numbers for potential employers to call. Just skip putting that school's number down. (It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway Very Happy : put down the names of the oldest, highest ranking people you possibly can.
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yingwenlaoshi wrote:
Just don't use them as a reference and look for a higher salary anyway. [...] Sell yourself. You'd probably be surprised. Just tell them that you want to work for a good place and that whatever place you're applying to seems quite impressive, etc.

This is quite good advice, actually. Smile big, and asking for more money than before means you are confident you are worth it. They need someone to do a particular thing and you are able to do it, so let them you are willing to, regardless of whatever crap happened at your last place. Asking for more means they will value you more. Nothing wrong with that.

Best thing to do when you feel like you are acting from a position of weakness is to behave like you know you are acting from a position of strength.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Bad reference? Reply... Reply with quote

oneofthesarahs wrote:
So my contract's finishing up in another 2 months, and I plan on finding a new job in Korea starting in January. Obviously while looking for a job I want potential employers to see that I have already worked for a year in Korea, and see that in my favor. However, due to some recent drama at my school and me standing up for myself, I know that my current employer would spin the situation and give me a bad reference.

So what to do? Do schools really call up your past employers? I'm working with a recruiter who knows about my current situation and has done all he can to help out with it, if that makes a difference. Will his word override a previous employer's?

What's the dealio, people?


The schools do look into your past, especially if you are going to a public school situation...The best you can hope for is that the people who really matter liked you enough to look past the situation you mentioned...It isn't going to be the end of the world if one refernece gives you less than glowing remarks, but if it is something that caused someone to lose face, then you might have a bit of explaining to do for a future employer...
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a Korean friend to ring up and pretend to be a prospective employer. It'll be fun you can prepare a back story for them and create a fictional Hagwon name like 'Cowboy English School'

or give your friends number as your previous employer let them give you a shinning reference(if you're that desperate)
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Left my first employer on the worst of terms, and I just told perspective employers my story, why I was so dissapointed with my first job, and why I wanted a better one. I still got a number of good offers. I used two of my previous co-workers (one English and one Korean) as references and it worked out fine.
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had to hire 2 people at my last job (hakwon). My boss wanted someone with Korea experience. He told not to bother to call references because they ALWAYS trash you, even if you were a good employee. He told me to find another way to verify the person had Korea experience -- that consisted of using a book with all the hakwons in Korea and accompanying phone numbers to see if the referees' numbers were correct as listed on the resume. Then, if the applicant had completed the contract, that was good enough... But I did call applicants' referees in thier home countries.
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fusionbarnone



Joined: 31 May 2004

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ED209 wrote:
Get a Korean friend to ring up and pretend to be a prospective employer. It'll be fun you can prepare a back story for them and create a fictional Hagwon name like 'Cowboy English School'

or give your friends number as your previous employer let them give you a shinning reference(if you're that desperate)


That's a good one.
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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing that might help is to get a letter before you leave, printed on the school's stationery including the school's stamp, that says that you completed the contract in full and received your bonus.
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fresh Prince wrote:
Another thing that might help is to get a letter before you leave, printed on the school's stationery including the school's stamp, that says that you completed the contract in full and received your bonus.

Yeah, I usually do that. Dunno if it helps, though. If they call the guy who signed the letter he or she may say something different - trash you, as someone said.

You know what the best reference is? YOU are. You're here, standing in front of them. You're not a faxed resume or a voice on a long-distance phone call. He looks you in the face and asks, "Can you handle working with young kids?' and you smile back and say, "Whoa, I groove on that ... that's my thing, you know. Haha, show me some kids, and try to hold me back."
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