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Morton
Joined: 06 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: Quitting a Public School Job |
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Hi folks
I'm wondering how easy it is to quit a Public School Job and then get another job in Korea.
For many reasons i would prefer not to go into i would like to leave my current position. My contract says 60 days notice which i am prepared to work.
However, i have read i need a letter of release etc. Are schools usually forthcoming with this or is this used to prevent teachers leaving?
Also i'm looking to move into business English. If anyone knows any companies then please let me know.
Many thanks. |
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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:44 am Post subject: |
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To work legally, you need that LoR. Schools are not required to give it you, and many won't. I think all you can do is ask or threaten to leave without notice if they won't give you a LoR. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: |
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The LoR is simply stupid. As long as you want another job, you should be able to get it. Immigration can do whatever they want, but as long as your ARC has been cancelled, I don't see why immi cannot just verify everything to make sure you're not still employed with where you quit. Just handing in your resignation, having 2 copies of this with your signature and your former boss's, and handing in to immi should suffice.
I don't get this whole letter of release thing. Immi and Korea need a swift kick in the arse.
If you give proper notice, or your working somewhere where they aren't paying you, that should be enough. This holding you prisonner for the sake of Korea and Koreans is just fkg mental.
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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:27 am Post subject: |
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yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
The LoR is simply stupid. As long as you want another job, you should be able to get it. Immigration can do whatever they want, but as long as your ARC has been cancelled, I don't see why immi cannot just verify everything to make sure you're not still employed with where you quit. Just handing in your resignation, having 2 copies of this with your signature and your former boss's, and handing in to immi should suffice.
I don't get this whole letter of release thing. Immi and Korea need a swift kick in the arse. |
It's not about immigratoin verifying that you finished your job. It's about your employer giving you permission to work another.
Draconian and stupid? Yes. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:32 am Post subject: |
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bosintang wrote: |
yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
The LoR is simply stupid. As long as you want another job, you should be able to get it. Immigration can do whatever they want, but as long as your ARC has been cancelled, I don't see why immi cannot just verify everything to make sure you're not still employed with where you quit. Just handing in your resignation, having 2 copies of this with your signature and your former boss's, and handing in to immi should suffice.
I don't get this whole letter of release thing. Immi and Korea need a swift kick in the arse. |
It's not about immigratoin verifying that you finished your job. It's about your employer giving you permission to work another.
Draconian and stupid? Yes. |
Is that really what it is though? Why should your ex-employer have any say? I don't think that's true. If it is then it's pretty fkn stupid. I think it's probably more of a formality or some stupid red tape. Did someone think this through and just decided we'd be less apt to quit because of this? Or is it just stupidly thought-out bureaucracy?
Is it a deal where it's preventing you to work for your ex-employer's competition. I don't get it. I understand the visa thing, but... I'm sure that if you went through the proper channels that there'd be no problem getting another job. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:34 am Post subject: |
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You do not need a letter of release for immigration. Usually the NEW employer wants to see it, but it's NOT an immi requirement. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Atavistic wrote: |
You do not need a letter of release for immigration. Usually the NEW employer wants to see it, but it's NOT an immi requirement. |
Yeah, I think it's a myth. If your ARC is cancelled then you can get a new job. Maybe to get it cancelled upon quitting you need some proof, hence the letter of release deal. Immi need proof that you no longer work there. That's it. Not some permission from Joe Blow, former employer. |
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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Atavistic wrote: |
You do not need a letter of release for immigration. Usually the NEW employer wants to see it, but it's NOT an immi requirement. |
This is not true. Immigration will make exceptions if you can explain your case carefully and your immigration officer is sympathetic, but standard procedure is that you must have a LoR from your employer to change sponsors. This is not the same as your visa expiring (then it's ok to change jobs without a LoR.)
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If you give proper notice, or your working somewhere where they aren't paying you, that should be enough. This holding you prisonner for the sake of Korea and Koreans is just fkg mental. |
Completely agree. It's manipulative and worse, inneffective. But is there anything about the Korean English education system that is a role model? |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: |
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bosintang wrote: |
Atavistic wrote: |
You do not need a letter of release for immigration. Usually the NEW employer wants to see it, but it's NOT an immi requirement. |
This is not true. Immigration will make exceptions if you can explain your case carefully and your immigration officer is sympathetic, but standard procedure is that you must have a LoR from your employer to change sponsors. This is not the same as your visa expiring (then it's ok to change jobs without a LoR.)
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If you give proper notice, or your working somewhere where they aren't paying you, that should be enough. This holding you prisonner for the sake of Korea and Koreans is just fkg mental. |
Completely agree. It's manipulative and worse, inneffective. But is there anything about the Korean English education system that is a role model? |
If you no longer work for an employer, it's easily verifiable by immi.
"Does he work for you anymore?"
"No."
"Ok, we need written proof."
"No"
"Ok, goodbye"
I don't think so. It's more like, "Ok then goodbye" and they'd go ahead and cancel your visa. If not, then I guess you could run into some stupid red tape deal. Might take some phone calls and a little time, but it would be pretty quickly taken care of.
Once you're not employed, it's up to immi to decide whether you can regain employment. Not you ex-boss. That's all BS. Now, on the other hand, they might ask some questions about why you quit, how you quit, why you were fired, etc. Then some problems can arise.
Immi is god. |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: |
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bosintang wrote: |
Atavistic wrote: |
You do not need a letter of release for immigration. Usually the NEW employer wants to see it, but it's NOT an immi requirement. |
This is not true. Immigration will make exceptions if you can explain your case carefully and your immigration officer is sympathetic, but standard procedure is that you must have a LoR from your employer to change sponsors. This is not the same as your visa expiring (then it's ok to change jobs without a LoR.) |
Ah, OK, you are talking about CHANGING SPONSORS? I am talking about getting a whole NEW visa. Leaving the country and all that. |
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betty74
Joined: 12 May 2007 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: |
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If you leave the country and turn in your ARC card doesn't that automatically cancel your current visa? Can you then get a new job without an LOR? |
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: |
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betty74 wrote: |
If you leave the country and turn in your ARC card doesn't that automatically cancel your current visa? Can you then get a new job without an LOR? |
I did just that in May. He wrote "USED" over my visa and that was that. |
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betty74
Joined: 12 May 2007 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: |
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Atavistic wrote: |
betty74 wrote: |
If you leave the country and turn in your ARC card doesn't that automatically cancel your current visa? Can you then get a new job without an LOR? |
I did just that in May. He wrote "USED" over my visa and that was that. |
It's that easy? Did you have a problem getting a new job? |
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icnelly
Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Location: Bucheon
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: |
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betty74 wrote: |
Atavistic wrote: |
betty74 wrote: |
If you leave the country and turn in your ARC card doesn't that automatically cancel your current visa? Can you then get a new job without an LOR? |
I did just that in May. He wrote "USED" over my visa and that was that. |
It's that easy? Did you have a problem getting a new job? |
Yup, it's that easy. I did it last August, got USED written on it; got my chinese residence permit for a 6 month stint, and then came back to SK with my shiny new E-2.
The only problem: the idiot tellers who run your passport at the airport get fixated on the USED and start flipping like crazy, then all the other stamps, and colors mesmorize them until they can't find your legitimate E-2 visa anywhere in your passport... |
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dmbfan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Guys....................
OK.......if you leave a public school job, in accordance with your agreed notice they do not have to give you a L.O.R. Some will, others will not. But, what a public school MUST do is cancel your visa. Once your visa is canceled, you do NOT need a L.O.R. If you are looking for work, while your visa is still valid (because the employer has not canceled it) then you need a L.O.R.
However, it is Korea. Many have left their job, gone to japan for a few days, came back on a tourist visa........and found another job without a L.O.R. It happens all the time.
But, play it safe and work through your notice. Once immigration cancels your visa, you are free and clear. BUT...........make sure you go to immigration with someone from the school and watch the process. Make sure they cancel the visa then and there. Sometimes, a principle will claim he/she has no knowledge of a L.O.R., the visa process, and may just send someone from the school to immigration without you.
Go with that person...........watch them get it done. If your principle tries to squirm out of he L.O.R., fine.........but make sure the visa is canceled. After that, you are good to go.
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