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Broken lock. Who pays?

 
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Who should pay?
You
35%
 35%  [ 7 ]
Hagwon owners
15%
 15%  [ 3 ]
The real owner of the apt, who my hagwon rents from
50%
 50%  [ 10 ]
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semphoon



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Where Nowon is

PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject: Broken lock. Who pays? Reply with quote

I came home last night and couldn't enter my mansion. I needed to get a person to come and replace the lock. It cost W100,000.

Who should pay for this?

Me? The hagwon owners? The owners of the actual apartment, who my boss rents the house from?

Many thanks.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why couldn't you get in? Who on earth did you call to replace it? Even when I've been totally soaked on locks, it was less than half that.
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unknown9398



Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Location: Yeongcheon, S. Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the scant information provided, I would say it's your responsibility to pay for the new lock. Maybe if you explain what prevented you from getting in, my opinion would change.

I think the bottom line is that you ordered the lock to be changed, and that's not something that landlords or employers pay for.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Couldn't enter" as in "you couldn't find your keys" or "there was something wrong with the lock"?

Is there anything in your contract about apartment maintenance?

There's nothing specific in my contract, so when the neighbour downstairs started complaining that water was running from the ceiling, I was quite unsure of who was responsible for the cost. Was it me or her or the landlord or my school? My school agreed to pay because the apartment is a bit old and run-down, but I forked over the 300,000 won and they said they'd pay me back.

I was told, however, that it's "Korean tradition" for the inhabitant to cover the costs. Who knows whether there's any merit to it. I'm still not sure why my apartment was responsible for the bill at all.
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won't pay maintenance. Sure I pay for building service fees, but pipes, doors, faucets, ceilings, floors, windows, whatever, are all off my list unless I damage them in anger or for fun. Rent is supposed to cover routine wear and tear on a place.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kermo wrote:
I was told, however, that it's "Korean tradition" for the inhabitant to cover the costs. Who knows whether there's any merit to it. I'm still not sure why my apartment was responsible for the bill at all.


Oh god. First Korean tradition wants you to pay ridiculous amounts of money to the landlord so s/he can have an interest-free loan to invest on the market. Now Korean tradition says the landlord isn't responsible for the building? Give me a break.

If I lived in the US and my lock broke through no fault of my own, I'd have the apartment pay for it. It has nothing to do with the employer. You pay the same as your neighbors, and their locks aren't falling off. Landlord's fault.
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday night my TV broke.
I bought a DVD player so I could watch movies and listen to music using the TV. The speakers are pretty crap and the resolution is hazy (the TV is from 1995, after all) and I've never had anything but the lowest channels (2-13) in fuzzy reception, but it did a good job of keeping me entertained.

Now it's dead (just a black screen and a high-pitched squeal) and is my university keen to buy a new one? No, no they are not. They have scheduled a repairman (bless 'em) in 6 days though. (crosses fingers)
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semphoon



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Where Nowon is

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its one of those key pad locks so I needed to get a man out. It just stopped working. He took the lock and repaired the motor and came back an hour later.

I spoke to my boss. She is going to talk to the landlord (who should pay for it....it's his house).


Danny Parents
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: Broken lock. Who pays? Reply with quote

semphoon wrote:
I came home last night and couldn't enter my mansion. I needed to get a person to come and replace the lock. It cost W100,000.

Anybody who lives in a mansion can easily afford a new lock. Don't sweat the small stuff.

Anybody who speaks English as a second language should be glad at the wages in this country relative to the ESL industry worldwide. Just lump it then.

Seriously.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are forced to pay for it, just make sure not to give anyone a copy of the key, including the landlord. When you move out, they'll regret it.
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kimchi story



Joined: 23 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

semphoon wrote:
Its one of those key pad locks so I needed to get a man out. It just stopped working. He took the lock and repaired the motor and came back an hour later.

I spoke to my boss. She is going to talk to the landlord (who should pay for it....it's his house).


Danny Parents


Did you just pay 100 bucks for a battery?

There was an interesting thread on this topic recently, and I can't for the life of me remember the title.

This is such a gray area - if I were you I'd hold ground until you get word back and then let it slide if you end up footing the bill.

Korea - some days you're the dog here and some days you're the hydrant.
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont know about Korea and its quirkiness, but in the US, the landlord of a rental would not only have to pay for the lock, but they would have no choice about whether to fix it or any other things in your apartment that might have broken due to wear and tear. For example, if the reefer broke, they could not simply say, "oh, we've decided not to fix it". If the reefer was present when you consented to rent the apt and it was functional, they MUST fix it. (Its different it you clearly acted in a way to cause the thing to break.. ie, you smashed the lock with a baseball bat... then you have to pay).

But ...this is Korea... I am also pretty sure renters have far fewer rights in this dump.
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dogshed



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

semphoon wrote:
Its one of those key pad locks so I needed to get a man out. It just stopped working. He took the lock and repaired the motor and came back an hour later.

I spoke to my boss. She is going to talk to the landlord (who should pay for it....it's his house).


Danny Parents


Did you check the battery? On another post someone said you can put
a nine volt up to the external contacts to power it up.
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dogshed



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marlow wrote:
I won't pay maintenance. Sure I pay for building service fees, but pipes, doors, faucets, ceilings, floors, windows, whatever, are all off my list unless I damage them in anger or for fun. Rent is supposed to cover routine wear and tear on a place.


I got a similar story about my boiler. It was just the overflow valve on the plastic tank thing, but I didn't think I should have to pay for it. I said in the US you pay rent so you don't have to be responsible for fixing things that are owned by the landlord, but housing is in my contract and if it's Korean tradition then the school can pay for the repair if the landlord won't.
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regicide



Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States

PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ilsanman wrote:
If you are forced to pay for it, just make sure not to give anyone a copy of the key, including the landlord. When you move out, they'll regret it.


Awsome!
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