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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:14 am Post subject: So....Is this xenophonic symbolism or not? |
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Read the article: http://tinyurl.com/2jzfea
And decide for yourself.... |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately this is the sort of backlash to be expected in Europe after decades of uncontrolled immigration.
Europe is swamped with muslims for one thing, some of whom have systematically abused their host countries hospitality for years.
If France and Holland want to survive as sovereign states into the next century they will have to follow suit. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: |
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At first, I thought that it was just the "Black Sheep" image that was symbolic of a person not following the societal norms. I didn't find it offensive.
Then, I read this...
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In 2004, the party successfully campaigned for tighter immigration laws using the image of black hands reaching into a pot filled with Swiss passports. |
Clearly, it's intentional racist propaganda. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Europe is swamped with muslims for one thing, some of whom have systematically abused their host countries hospitality for years. |
But this contradicts the Peoples' Party's own reasoning for the law.
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"As soon as the first 10 families and their children have been expelled from the country, then things will get better at a stroke," said Maurer, whose party controls the Justice Ministry and shares power in an unwieldy coalition that includes all major parties.
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If Maurer's theory is correct, then immigrants will become much more law-abiding after the first few deportations. Which would in turn lead to fewer deportations, and thus no significant reduction in the numbers of immigrants "swamping" Switzerland. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:21 am Post subject: |
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I think the West is moving towards a period of less immigration. I read that D.Camron (sp) is talking of reduced immigration in the UK and the notion of a moratorium on muslim immigration is gathering steam in OZ. The American public is solidly behind reduced numbers. And there has been a fairly large study released recently that honestly discussed the negative side of diversity. I suspect Canada will keep her numbers up, though. Some parts of Europe are facing a battle for their soul in the next 20 years. Admitting Turkey to the EU would be the end of Christian Europe inside of 40 yeas. The muslims have an uncanny ability to drive out, convert or otherwise "remove" the infidel (note all the Christian Arabs who no longer live in the Arab world..)
Unfortunately, as I've been saying for about 10 years, immigration (mostly muslim) will only provoke a racist and awful backlash in Europe. I'm dead surprised it was the Swiss first, but they most certainly won't be the last.
I still think that immigration is good. But it ought to be "values" and employment based with limited family reunification. And for the sake of social stability, those who break the law (serious laws) or suck off the system (like the hordes of unemployed, baby producing muslims in Europe) must be immediately deported with no chance to return. If this is not done, this Swiss campaign will look angelic in comparison to what Europe's rednecks will produce. An either/or is gathering steam. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Yea, for years Europe has been accepting the Muslims by mass numbers like since the Bosnia thing 12 years ago, but won't allow the few Americans who want to go live and work there such as in Germany, France, and Holland. What is up with this? I would have to pay thousands of dollars just to play music or paint pictures on the streets of Europe for a decent living (providing you have an interesting product) while Muslims do it for free in the form of begging and doing sorry sad performances.Why does Europe accept them and not me? I am excluded, but yet I served to protect Europe such as Bosnia in the 1990's like my grandpas did for Germany in the 1940's. I feel a close connection to Europe, not only due to a history of military service, but it's my original homeland, they are decedents of my people. Of course, my saving of Bosnia was for the Muslims to live free and discover the pleasure of eating bacon at the same time! I had a great time over there and felt very comfortable and natural being there, because it's where home is meant to be for non-Muslim Caucasians. It was so natural that everyone spoke to me in German or Hungarian since I look just like them on account of descending from their kind.
In Germany and France, I was denied entrance to night clubs and kicked out of places when people seen I speak English like an American, because I am. This was so devastating for me that I argued many times with bouncers and police and cried a great deal. Holland was so cool and the most friendly country I visited and the warmest people I ever met in all of my Earth journeys. Holland is a lovely place to visit. Stay at small hostels and guesthouses, they will say, "Helloooooo", with the warmest inflection and serve you hot eggs, bacon, and bagels for breakfast. Look out for young Muslims dudes from north Africa such as Moroccans who will beat you down for your weed and money after trying to sit down in a coffee shop and ordering for you. They need to clean it up in all those countries over there when it comes to all these young dudes and whole homeless families from the Arab world.
It's not irrational to think that Western Europe will become corrupted by Islam extremists leading to social problems such as over population, high unemployment, food shortages, civil fighting, etc. This is a shame as Europe is a very lovely and gorgeous place. If I had a choice, I would have a nice place on a cobble stone street over there with more than enough hash, Hungarian smoked bacon, and fascinatingly creative street artist performers to last more than a life time. If you're an American with big money, then you're welcome, but if you're a poor Muslim from the middle East, then you're also welcome, but if American who is not a rich CEO type American, then you're only a tourist. Why not fend for your own kind while accepting a poor sorry arse corruption Arabic peoples are bringing?
This is why their are racist demonstrations in Europe today. I can't blame them. It's not like Korea, not comparable. If your white, even black, people don't stare at you in Europe and act weird about you being there. It's very liberal and tolerant when it comes to race, artistic style, nationality, and religion, but money is king just as anywhere else capitalism reigns.
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: |
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If I had a choice, I would have a nice place on a cobble stone street over there with more than enough hash, Hungarian smoked bacon, and good street artist performers to last a life time. If you're an American with big money, then you're welcome, but if you're a poor Muslim from the middle East, then you're also welcome, but if not a rich CEO type American, then you're only a tourist.
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Well, the impression I get is that most European countries are interested in importing workers for low-paying grunt jobs. So a rich CEO, American or otherwise, probably wouldn't really be considered a good risk in that regard.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong about the basic gist of European immigration policy. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: |
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To what extent, I wonder, is the Swiss proposal a rejection not of immigration but muslim immigration? As I scan through the dozens of articles on this topic, there are a few hints that this is the case. Apparently the same party is also proposing that the construction of new minarets be made illegal too. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
Well, the impression I get is that most European countries are interested in importing workers for low-paying grunt jobs. So a rich CEO, American or otherwise, probably wouldn't really be considered a good risk in that regard.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong about the basic gist of European immigration policy. |
I think you are right, to an extent. Most of the immigration comes from refugees, the toleration of illegals and the majority (as I understand it) from family reunification. But the first wave from non-European lands were laborers. Now they use Polish, Estonians and such for that. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: |
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nautilus wrote: |
Unfortunately this is the sort of backlash to be expected in Europe after decades of uncontrolled immigration.
Europe is swamped with muslims for one thing, some of whom have systematically abused their host countries hospitality for years.
If France and Holland want to survive as sovereign states into the next century they will have to follow suit. |
Mines Gott!
If France and Holland want to survive they only have to make sure that the value system doesn't change for the worse. Like you just advised them to do.
I am not sure whether you are or are not a European, but such a comment can certainly not come from someone who has had a decent European education. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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BJWD wrote: |
On the other hand wrote: |
Well, the impression I get is that most European countries are interested in importing workers for low-paying grunt jobs. So a rich CEO, American or otherwise, probably wouldn't really be considered a good risk in that regard.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong about the basic gist of European immigration policy. |
I think you are right, to an extent. Most of the immigration comes from refugees, the toleration of illegals and the majority (as I understand it) from family reunification. But the first wave from non-European lands were laborers. Now they use Polish, Estonians and such for that. |
The word "use" is out of place.
The Polish decide themselves to come to the more affluent central europe to seek riches. The west doesn't USE them. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: |
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sojourner1 wrote: |
This is why their are racist demonstrations in Europe today. I can't blame them. It's not like Korea, not comparable. If your white, even black, people don't stare at you in Europe and act weird about you being there. It's very liberal and tolerant when it comes to race, artistic style, nationality, and religion, but money is king just as anywhere else capitalism reigns. |
Racism finds it seeds in the less well educated populace of Europe, mostly. It also seems to stem from people who are afraid of cultural change, and prefer to see their little egg nest unchallenged. Which of course is a perfect rational choice.
Capitalism doesn't reign in Europe, i am very sorry to inform you. Most European states are still mainly socialist and pursue a redistribution of wealth over the concentration of it, in general.
So as you see there is no black and white in Europe. They are Tolerant and racist, open minded and limited, poor and rich, capitalist and communist. Americans don't understand this about Europe. Co-existence is the major element in post-modern European culture. Finding the middle road is the answer.
Kicking out the Muslims is NOT the solution, integrating them in the European Union is.
Europe has enjoyed many fruits from the Arabic world, and we can still do so, it just requires more patience and understanding. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Juregen wrote: |
BJWD wrote: |
On the other hand wrote: |
Well, the impression I get is that most European countries are interested in importing workers for low-paying grunt jobs. So a rich CEO, American or otherwise, probably wouldn't really be considered a good risk in that regard.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong about the basic gist of European immigration policy. |
I think you are right, to an extent. Most of the immigration comes from refugees, the toleration of illegals and the majority (as I understand it) from family reunification. But the first wave from non-European lands were laborers. Now they use Polish, Estonians and such for that. |
The word "use" is out of place.
The Polish decide themselves to come to the more affluent central europe to seek riches. The west doesn't USE them. |
It was a bad choice of words. I wasn't suggesting exploitation.
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Kicking out the Muslims is NOT the solution, integrating them in the European Union is. |
Either Europe will be "integrated" into islam or islam integrated into Europe. I hope you are confident that your culture is up the job. |
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Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Chef School
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, Europe should just ship all their unwanted illegal migrants to the awe hospitable Canada. "Canadians love everyone." Well, there's certainly enough land and all they need to do is build homes out of snow and ice. They'll be just fine up there in the northern most terroritories.  |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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BJWD wrote: |
I'm dead surprised it was the Swiss first, |
I'm curious as to why you find that surprising? The Swiss are well known for having a certain disdain for foreigners. Actually they are notorious for it. They even look down their noses at white Northern Europeans. |
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