Korean Job Discussion Forums

[shaunew]

Well let the Koreans screw everyone over. Risk everyone else to save a few. Now that the Taliban have found this to be the best way to get what they want. I think we will be seeing much more of this. But Countries with balls won't back down, Like Canada, USA, Germany and others. But this will mean more kidnappings and more deaths because we are not weak little girls. I just hope that the soldiers and real aid workers in Afghanistan or safe. Once again Koreans shame themselves on the world stage. Here is a link to the story.

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20070829%2fhostages_follow_070830

[brento1138]

I don't understand why the US and allies don't just "pretend" to go along with the deal, give the taliban whatever they want, and then after the hostages are freed, go in after them guns blazing.

Kind of like how they do with bank robbers... "okay, we'll give you your helicopter... yep yep!" Then they surround the bad guy, and take him out.

[fromtheuk]

shaunew - Like many other westerners, you've predictably called the Korean government weak.

Firstly, the Koreans got their people back, whereas if you were in their place, you would be dead meat by now, but of course on this forum you would proudly state as a matter of principle it would be a price worth paying....my a@s!

I'm sure you would be begging any government to do anything to help, if it was you or someone close to you taken hostage, so please don't insult the intelligence of this forum, with your fake self-righteousness.

The Taliban said they also did this and will do it again, to highlight how the US doesn't care about it's junior partners/allies, the US policy of no-negotiation with 'terrorists', even if it means certain death for their own people, is something they consider a sign of great integrity.

In my view, you and many other westerners online are fuming because the Koreans had the guts to do something, most dumb, idiotic, western governments could never do, and that is do what ultimately would benefit them e.g. in this case get their people out safely.

You can act as gung-ho as you want, but the truth is the Koreans were wise and got results, whereas westerners who are kidnapped in future, have no hope, because there own governments basically don't give a toss about their own citizens, hence the fact they are willing to sacrifice their own people because they are simply too proud and arrogant to talk to people they deem to be 'terrorists'.

Remember before the creation of Israel, their founding fathers were all part of terrorist organizations, and they then went on to become nobel prize winners and prime ministers of that nation.

So, this 'we don't talk to terrorists' theme is complete rubbish.

Beneath your post, your comment about hearts and minds sums you up in a sentence. If you grab people by the balls you won't win hearts and minds, but you will intensify the hatred people have for you.

The fact you are unable to grasp this idea illustrates how lacking in humanity and common sense the west is.

Lastly, the Taliban are Afghanistani. Who the hell are you to tell them what to do in their own country? Why don't you and your troops go back to where they came from.

I apologize...I forgot....they already are going back to where they came from.........everyday.......in body bags! (Unlike Koreans)

[twg]

Dont argue with the chicken hawks. They're working their righteous fury into a nice lather of stupidity.

[shaunew]

[SPINOZA]

I'd be surprised if someone else hasn't already said this - I've avoided the issue, out of complete lack of interest I regret to say - but if I were President Roh, an unpopular president, I'd have viewed the affair as a golden opportunity for shameless militarism, egoism and the whipping up of national fervor.

[LaughingSalmon]

When young white American boys shot up Columbine, did
you blame all young white American boys for it? Did you
ever tell anyone that the young white American boys you
knew were in fact young white Canadians?

Can somebody explain to me why racist men marry women
from the group they consider inferior?

I just keep reading about it/discovering it a lot and I find
it really disturbing.

[ajgeddes]

[RACETRAITOR]

[Scotticus]

fromtheuk:

Your logic is both short-sighted and ill-informed. There's a reason why these "dumb, idiotic" Western nations don't pay off terrorists. I'm assuming you're a teacher, so I'm going to put this in teacher words for you. In education, we call it positive reinforcement. It's when you reinforce a behavior by rewarding it (in one way or another). The RoK just gave a bunch of school-burning, market-bombing, oppression-loving terrorists 20 million (supposedly) dollars worth of positive reinforcement. So now they're going to start hitting smaller allies that will give in to the terrorists' demands, because SK has shown them that, when push comes to shove, they WILL back down.

You said the US and UK don't have "the guts" to get hostages back. Where are guts involved by screaming and throwing money at the guys with guns? Survival? Sure. Self-preservation? Yes. But it sure as HELL ain't "guts." And, further, I'm sure all the new people who are about to get kidnapped are going to thank the RoK for being so "gutsy," as they sit in a room with an AK-47 to their heads.

You're just as "predictable" as the people you bemoan. You're a psuedo-intellectual, a paper-liberal, so to speak. All you know is what you're supposed to say to sound "intelligent," whether or not your argument is full of holes and inconsistencies. Read some books, educate yourself and come back with something stronger than "you are unable to grasp this idea illustrates how lacking in humanity and common sense the west is."

If I wanted to hear something repeat the same tired crap over and over again, I'd get a parrot.

[MANDRL]

[Morton]

FromtheUK. If you are from the UK then surely you are a westerner too. And if you're not from the UK then please stop giving the place a bad image.

[SPINOZA]

Scoticus - "You're a psuedo-intellectual, a paper-liberal, so to speak" couldn't be further from the truth. Fromtheuk is a Muslim extremist.

[vox]

[endo]