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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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 Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: Canon DSLR discussion thread |
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Hello all you digital photography experts!
I'm thinking of buying a Canon 400D (Rebel XTI) or a 30-40D (40D is supposed to come out this August) and would like to know what some of the differences are between the two. I realize that the Rebel is an entry level DSLR and not considered a professional camera. I plan on spending a considerable amount of time in the next few years learning more about photography and I'm wondering how important the differences are between the two cameras. Could you please enlighten me?
Thanks in advance. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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I have a Canon 30D.
What I don't know about photography, you can fill a photography book with. Just so you know where I'm coming from.
It has a lot of buttons and knobs and you can get it to do pretty much whatever you want, which I occasionally do for low light situations. But I noticed that what I set up in daylight, and what the camera does on the automatic settings are pretty much exactly the same, so I don't really bother with all of the button fiddling that much.
Which, I guess, is me saying that the 30D is good enough for a guy like me to get pretty decent results. So it should be screamingly awesome for anyone who knows what they're doing. Since a new model is coming out, I figure the prices will be dropping drastically. So maybe it'd be a good buy for you.
And I can only assume the 40D will be even better. Because, well... it's newer, right. Newer is always better. Just ask any car dealership. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Just curious: why Canon? |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Why Canon? Without starting a flame war between diehards on this forum, I will only say that I prefer Canon over Nikon because of the simplicity of the owners manual.
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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CANON UBER ALLES!
RARR!
Man, arguing over this would be like arguing over Coke vs Pepsi. |
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indytrucks
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: The Shelf
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| Man, arguing over this would be like arguing over Coke vs Pepsi. |
Or Gay vs Stud.
You'd have to force me at gunpoint to "go digital", but if I had to, I'd love one of these:
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With a new, fully digital strategy, Hasselblad sets new benchmark in high-end DSLR camera systems for professional photographers.
Hasselblad is today firmly positioning itself as the pre-eminent provider of high-end digital cameras with the launch of the Hasselblad H3D, the world�s first 48mm full-frame DSLR camera system. The H3D is the result of Hasselblad�s strategy of taking photographic flexibility and image quality to new levels, as yet unseen in any competing product. When compared with high-end 35mm DSLRs, the H3D delivers unmatched pixel resolution, better colors and detail rendering and a new choice of viewfinders for creative image composition. In comparison with digital backs, the H3D delivers image quality with a higher level of detail and true sharpness thanks to Hasselblad�s Digital APO Correction (DAC) and the advances of its new Ultra-Focus functionality. The H3D�s full-frame concept offers unique control of image composition and with its new 28mm lens, the H3D allows photographers for the first time ever to take wide angle shots on a 36 x 48mm sensor.
Christian Poulsen, CEO of Hasselblad comments: �The digital revolution prompted many professional photographers to adopt high-end 35mm DSLRs as their back-up or even their main camera. But as the most demanding photographers have become acquainted with the technology, the feedback we�ve had indicates that high-end 35mm often doesn�t offer the required image quality. Many photographers also miss the high-end camera system�s additional photographic flexibility that is beyond the physical parameters of the high-end 35mm DSLR, which was originally designed for ultra-fast shooting environments. Hasselblad has been deluged by requests from traditional camera back buyers for true wide angle photography and extended image quality. We�re confident that in the H3D, a logical evolution of the H1D and H2D, professional photographers will find the complete photographic solution for these needs. What Victor Hasselblad managed to develop with the classic V camera system, the H3D now extends into the digital age.�
Size matters
The H3D is currently available in two models, the Hasselblad H3D-22 and the Hasselblad H3D-39, offering image capture with a resolution of either 22 or an unsurpassed 39 megapixels on the largest image sensor currently available in digital photography � more than twice the size of a high-end 35mm camera sensor. The system�s viewfinders and extra large and bright lenses enable extremely precise compositions and easy operation in dim lighting.
Ultra-Focus and Digital APO Correction boost lens performance
The H3D is built around a brand new digital camera engine, providing a new standard of image sharpness, �Ultra-Focus�. In the H3D camera, information about lens and exact capture conditions are fed into the digital camera engine for ultra-fine-tuning of the auto-focus mechanism, taking into account the design of the lens and the optical specification of the sensor. By then adding Digital APO Correction (DAC) � digital, APO-chromatic correction of the color aberration and distortion in the images - Hasselblad raises the performance of the full HC lens range to a new level of sharpness and resolution and, with perfect pixel definition, optimizes the basis for image rendering.
World�s first 28mm wide angle lens for 48mm DSLR camera systems
Hasselblad has designed a new 28mm wide angle lens especially for the H3D. To achieve the necessary optical performance, the Hasselblad lens designers have taken full advantage of the Ultra-Focus and DAC functionality to ensure that outstanding images are produced by this extraordinary lens. Photographers who work with the H3D and the HCD 28mm lens will be amazed by the full-frame composition and unmatched wide angle image quality.
New waist-level viewfinder
Taking the V System�s lead, Hasselblad is launching an interchangeable, waist-level viewfinder for the H system cameras. The new waist-level viewfinder is a superb composition tool that allows the photographer to maintain direct eye contact with the model throughout the shoot, particularly important for fashion and people shoots. The H3D thus offers a choice of viewfinders � eye- or waist-level � an important flexibility for the professional photographer.
Hasselblad Star Quality
To define the core parameters of optimal image quality, Hasselblad is introducing its Hasselblad Star Quality standard. Traditionally, resolution or the number of pixels on the sensor has been perceived as the most important quality factor in digital photography, but in fact other parameters have similar or even greater impact � sharpness, the definition of small details, color and low noise. Hasselblad has spent the last two years developing the underlying technology to optimize these parameters:
Resolution: � State of the art 39 megapixels
Sharpness: � Ultra-Focus and DAC
Small details: � Single shot interpolation
Color: � Hasselblad Natural Color Solution
Low noise: � Digital noise reduction
With the introduction of the H3D, Hasselblad has produced a camera system that can deliver the highest image quality to date.
Photographic Flexibility
To allow the photographer to shoot the most creative and best composed images, the H3D has also been developed for maximum flexibility:
Viewfinder flexibility: - The system offers a choice of viewfinders for image composition and is compatible with Hasselblad�s standard H System lenses and the new 28mm digital HCD lens.
Tilt and Shift flexibility: - The digital capture unit can be used on a view camera with tilt and shift functionality.
Storage flexibility: - The H3D also gives the professional photographer three options for image storage: on a CF card, to a Hasselblad Image Bank (a 100GB drive with a write speed of up to 60MB/sec) via FireWire, or the tethered operation with extended, special capture controls.
Film flexibility: - In exceptional circumstances, such as extreme heat or cold or extremely long or short exposure times, it is also possible to switch to film.
With these operating and storage options, the photographer is able to select a mode to suit their work, whatever the nature and whether in the studio or on location.
Christian Poulsen concludes: �It has been a major achievement for Hasselblad to have implemented its new, fully digital strategy. We are confident that the H3D, the first product resulting from the new strategy, will set new standards for digital photography, even when compared with the best 35mm DSLR cameras and digital backs. In pursuance of our objectives, we will continue to focus on bringing to market digital products that offer flexibility and the best possible image quality, and on working with existing and new Hasselblad users to help them take full advantage of the potential that digital technology holds for them, both creatively and commercially.�
The new H3D is available immediately worldwide through Hasselblad�s national subsidiaries and channel partners at retail prices to be announced at Photokina.
An H3D upgrade program is available for current H1D and H2D users.
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One catch: the price. Yours for the low, low sum of $35,000! |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, that's a little out of my league Indy. |
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indytrucks
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| Just out of curiosity, how much is the 30D? Because I think if you saved your pennies for a bit longer, you could go for the 5D which I priced in Namdaemun for about 3mil. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:00 am Post subject: |
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With cheapo lens and 2gb card and a bunch of other small stuff like a cloth and blower (wakka wakka) it came out to 1.1 million.
My coworker has the 5D and a lens that can take clear photos of the Mars rover. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Canon because the user manual is simpler?
Without telling you to go either way, I'd suggest that you think about this a little bit more. Not saying you shouldn't choose Canon! But.. I'm saying that you should know WHY you're chosing Canon.
Buying a DSLR is just the first step, after all. If you're going to be spending a considerable amount of time learning about photography (but haven't yet) basically any DSLR will suit well - each model has it's advantages and disadvantages.
Brief Summary of K vs. C: - though there are lots more to choose from!
Canon - Good: Low high ISO noise, USM primes, good choice of IS zooms
Bad: Flash system is a) expensive and b) mediocre, user interface is arguably mediocre, 400D is not good for larger hands, EF lenses only (can't use older canon lenses), mediocre wide-angle options (unless you get the 5D)
Nikon - Good: Low high ISO noise (but not as good as Canon), incredible flash system, ability to use almost all nikon lenses made ever (huge used lense market!) - on the D200 and up, build quality and user interface, quality wides
Bad: Good options for wides, but no FF sensor camera - so on the 5D and up, Canon wins. 400D/30D are 1.6x crop so they're worse than Nikon in this regard.
If anyone has anything to add - feel free. But - OP - if you couldn't follow that summary, do more reading and make the choice when you're more informed. Switching systems is a pain, so make sure you choose the right one for you.
Also - make sure you go and actually USE/HOLD some of these cameras! This is not a purely technical decision. Photography is an art, not a science -- you should be comfortable with your tools. |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Of course I was joking about the manual...
I do understand ISO noise, IS zooms and most of what you said.
I've had Nikon mid-range SLR's and a few years ago - bought a Canon Rebel 2000. I like the canons much better. My take is that I'll be doing a lot more outdoor photography than indoor, so flash systems aren't that important to me.
Yes, I have a lot of reading to do. I also have a lot of questions. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| SuperFly wrote: |
Of course I was joking about the manual...
I do understand ISO noise, IS zooms and most of what you said.
I've had Nikon mid-range SLR's and a few years ago - bought a Canon Rebel 2000. I like the canons much better. My take is that I'll be doing a lot more outdoor photography than indoor, so flash systems aren't that important to me.
Yes, I have a lot of reading to do. I also have a lot of questions. |
Personally, I use flash far more in outtdoor photography as fill than I do inside (where fast primes lead to more natural looking pictures).
Maybe we should have a perpetual photography thread for pictures and discussion. It seems to be a popular hobby 'round here. |
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SeoulFinn
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Location: 1h from Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Go for Canon. Personally I can't even think other options.
I had Canon 20d before my friend lost it with my 17-85mm IS lens on it. How? He left it in a public toilet in Helsinki and when he noticed his mistake and got back few minutes later... my precious had found a new owner. Anyway, my friend paid for his mistake 1200 EUR (at that time) and we are still friends.
After that I've been using my backup camera Canon 350d with the "el crapola" kit lens (EF-S 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6) and 50mm prime lens (EF 1:1.4). The difference is like between day and night. I admit that 350d was pretty good with the 17-85 IS, though, but not as good as 20d and IS.
I'm waiting for the 40d or what ever the replacement will be. If it isn't that good, I'll get 30d instead. 30d/20d/400d are good cameras but they need and deserve a good glass (or two) to really function well. Oh, and get a flash as well. I have Canon Speedlite 430EX and it really makes a difference when shooting inside in demanding lighting situations. If you doubt me, I can borrow you my flash so that you can see the difference it makes! Without flash I couldn't even dream about taking pictures of our cats. |
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lotuseater
Joined: 22 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: 40D |
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Go for the 40D if you plan on having it for a few years. It just came out last week, should go for about $1300, I have no idea what it will go for in Korea though. And it should be availible mid to end of September or October. The image quality between the 400D and the 40D is not going to be a lot. A little less high ISO noise but not huge. The big difference in a camera you are going to have for a couple of years and one that you are going to upgrade in a year is the 100,000 shutter cycle rating of the 40D as opposed to the 400D that does not have a shutter cycle rating at all and has an expected life of 10,000-30,000 photos depending on who you talk to. That is a big difference in my book. I shoot that in a year.
Add to that new weather sealing and a magnesium body makes the 40D a much more durable camera for not a lot more money. The extra money spent on the 40D will be worth it as long as you have the cash to buy some good glass to go with it. If you don't better buy the 400D and some good glass and upgrade the camera later. It's the glass that makes more of a difference than the camera. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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I just need a camera I can fire off a string of pics in a second or two that I can fiddle with the ap and shut to catch some decent sports action shots (not stills). Preferably the camera would have a pre-setting for that.
Doesn't the d30 have a "sports shot" setting? Something to eliminate the blur on a fast moving shot? Action blur is my nemesis. |
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