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Miles Rationis
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 Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:34 am Post subject: Incline vs. Flat Bench Press... |
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Now I haven't done incline for over a year, mostly for shoulder reasons (have damaged my front deltoid through this exercies twice already) but also for other reasons. The form and shape of the pectoralis muscle is genetically predetermined. Nothing you do can change this. The number of white or fast twitch muscle fibers is also genetically predetermined. Nothing you can do will change this. Normally more weight can be done with flat bench.
So I simply don't see the reason for doing incline as if it would have an effect that flat bench doesn't. There is no scientific evidence for this only subjective 'feelings' and myths...
What do you think, tell your story... |
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Dev
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Yes, it's a good exercise because
1) It gives your delts some stimulation for growth (but if you have delt problems - avoid).
2) People believe that variety in your workout will spur growth as opposed to doing the same exercises every week. In your case, there are other options like switching to flat dumbell press or machine exercises. |
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normalcyispasse
Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Yeosu until the end of February WOOOOOOOO
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| Makes a difference for what? I'm a powerlifter, so I necessarily prefer flat bench. |
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Miles Rationis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| normalcyispasse wrote: |
| Makes a difference for what? I'm a powerlifter, so I necessarily prefer flat bench. |
Pec development; more a bodybuilding question I guess... |
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Tony_Balony
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| 2) People believe that variety in your workout will spur growth as opposed to doing the same exercises every week. In your case, there are other options like switching to flat dumbell press or machine exercises. |
Mr. Schwarzenegger says to shock your muscles and you do that by changing
the exercise somehow. Its a more comprehensive workout - hits more muscles. I don't the inclines because I get dizzy/sick and I can't focus. |
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Johnwayne
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| This is a great topic... but not for Korean chat. |
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Miles Rationis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Excuses?! Obviously you haven't been lifting that long. Only idiots continue doing things they know will ruin their bodies, in this case incline and the anterior delta. If that is ruined I can kiss bodybuilding goodbye; no thanks. Yes, to some degree or another, however the point being made is that you can develop your chest with flat bench to the same degree because emphasis or not, your genetics determine what shape and to what extent your chest will grow; if you have genetically unremarkable pecs, you can bench incline till you're blue in the face and it won't change a thing... |
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Miles Rationis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| This is a great topic... but not for Korean chat. |
General discussion captain... |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Miles Rationis wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| This is a great topic... but not for Korean chat. |
General discussion captain... |
Listen man, I enjoy a good discussion about form and such just as much as any other gym rat... but you really should learn what does and what does not belong in this section.
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General Discussion Forum
Forum for general discussion on issues related to *living* in South Korea. No off-topic posts here either! |
Please take another moment to read the title of this forum and see if your post falls in the right catagory. |
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Miles Rationis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Miles Rationis wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| This is a great topic... but not for Korean chat. |
General discussion captain... |
Listen man, I enjoy a good discussion about form and such just as much as any other gym rat... but you really should learn what does and what does not belong in this section.
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General Discussion Forum
Forum for general discussion on issues related to *living* in South Korea. No off-topic posts here either! |
Please take another moment to read the title of this forum and see if your post falls in the right catagory. |
Well have it moved to the off topic part then... |
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Johnwayne
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| Miles Rationis wrote: |
Excuses?! Obviously you haven't been lifting that long. Only idiots continue doing things they know will ruin their bodies, in this case incline and the anterior delta. |
Well no, only "idiots" do exercises incorrectly in a manner that messes up their joints, etc. I've been doing incline for as long as I've been lifting (how long that is doesn't really matter since this is teh intranets) and I haven't ruined my body or experienced discomfort otherwise over the years.
Obviously you wouldn't do certain exercises that aggravate pre-existing injuries because that would just be foolish.
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| ...your genetics determine what shape and to what extent your chest will grow; if you have genetically unremarkable pecs, you can bench incline till you're blue in the face and it won't change a thing... |
Yes genetics do that, but if you are doing incline and aren't seeing any results within in a reasonable time frame, I would contend it has to do with something other than what exercises you are doing. That isn't to say you are going to gain some superhuman amount of mass in your upper chest just from doing incline though.
If you are really that into bodybuilding, you would know how important muscle symmetry and proportion is and if you neglect certain exercises it will impact those two things. |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: |
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While I agree that genetics determine shape... you left out the part where they determine maximum shape and size.
I can have the wickedest ginetically peaked Bi in history, but if I don't train it... how would I ever know?
Same goes for any body part.
If you don't want to train upper chest because of an injury, fine. Makes sense to me.
But the rest of your statement smacks of someone throwingtheir hands up in the air and just giving up.
I have to ask, why'd you include this part of it?
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| Nothing you do can change this. The number of white or fast twitch muscle fibers is also genetically predetermined. Nothing you can do will change this |
What do fast twitch/slow twitch fibers have to do with whetehr you do inclines or not? |
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Miles Rationis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Captain Corea"]While I agree that genetics determine shape... you left out the part where they determine maximum shape and size.
I can have the wickedest ginetically peaked Bi in history, but if I don't train it... how would I ever know?
Same goes for any body part.
If you don't want to train upper chest because of an injury, fine. Makes sense to me.
But the rest of your statement smacks of someone throwingtheir hands up in the air and just giving up.
I have to ask, why'd you include this part of it?
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| Nothing you do can change this. The number of white or fast twitch muscle fibers is also genetically predetermined. Nothing you can do will change this |
What do fast twitch/slow twitch fibers have to do with whetehr you do inclines or not?[/quote]
The whole point is that if you don't have the fast twitch fibers in your upper pecs it is hardly going to make a difference whether you stick to incline or flat. The same is true if you have an Arnolrd chest; you will realise your potential or lack thereof through flat presses. |
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Miles Rationis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| Johnwayne wrote: |
| Miles Rationis wrote: |
Excuses?! Obviously you haven't been lifting that long. Only idiots continue doing things they know will ruin their bodies, in this case incline and the anterior delta. |
Well no, only "idiots" do exercises incorrectly in a manner that messes up their joints, etc. I've been doing incline for as long as I've been lifting (how long that is doesn't really matter since this is teh intranets) and I haven't ruined my body or experienced discomfort otherwise over the years.
Obviously you wouldn't do certain exercises that aggravate pre-existing injuries because that would just be foolish.
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| ...your genetics determine what shape and to what extent your chest will grow; if you have genetically unremarkable pecs, you can bench incline till you're blue in the face and it won't change a thing... |
Yes genetics do that, but if you are doing incline and aren't seeing any results within in a reasonable time frame, I would contend it has to do with something other than what exercises you are doing. That isn't to say you are going to gain some superhuman amount of mass in your upper chest just from doing incline though.
If you are really that into bodybuilding, you would know how important muscle symmetry and proportion is and if you neglect certain exercises it will impact those two things. |
Neglecting incline will not negatively affect pec development. At best it adds variation to the workout but there is no evidence that you will realise some potential you haven't already done with flat incline... |
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