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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Senator says 'I am not gay' Reply with quote

Craig says 'I am not gay,' did no wrong
By TODD DVORAK, Associated Press Writer

BOISE, Idaho - A defiant Sen. Larry Craig denied any wrongdoing Tuesday despite his guilty plea this summer in a men's room police sting, emphatically adding, "I am not gay. I have never been gay."

Craig, a third-term senator from Idaho, proclaimed his innocence as well as his sexuality less than an hour after Senate leaders from his own Republican Party called for an ethics committee review of his case.


"This is a serious matter," they said in Washington in a written statement that offered neither support nor criticism of the conservative senator. Issued in the names of Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the party leader, and several others, the statement said they were examining "other aspects of the case to determine if additional action is required."

Craig, his wife Suzanne at his side, took no questions in a brief appearance in the capital city of the state he has represented in Congress for more than two decades in the House and then the Senate.

He had "overreacted and made a poor decision" when he was apprehended by an undercover police officer in a men's room at the Minneapolis airport and later pleaded guilty.

"While I was not involved in any inappropriate conduct in the Minneapolis Airport or anywhere else, I chose to plead guilty to a lesser charge in hopes of making it go away." He said he kept the information from his friends, family and staff, adding, "I wasn't eager to share this failure but I should have anyway because I am not gay."

Nor did he hire a lawyer, Craig said, although he now has retained counsel "to review the matter and advise me on how to proceed."

"I have brought a cloud over Idaho and for that I seek and ask the people of Idaho to forgive me," he said."

His account contrasted sharply with the complaint in the case, in which an undercover officer said that Craig, while occupying a stall in the men's room, engaged in actions "often used by persons communicating a desire to engage in sexual conduct."

Craig was read his rights, fingerprinted and required to submit to a mug shot at the time of his arrest.

Police notes also show that on June 22, 11 days after the arrest, Craig returned to the police station and said no one had yet contacted him about his case. "Craig told me that he needs a contact so his lawyer can speak to someone," wrote the officer who spoke with the senator, Adam Snedker.

The senator signed and dated his guilty plea to a charge of disorderly conduct on Aug. 1, and court papers indicate it was submitted by mail and filed a week later. The court docket said Craig paid $575 in fines and fees and was put on unsupervised probation for a year. A sentence of 10 days in the county workhouse was stayed.

Craig, up for re-election next year, said he would announce his plans next month. If anything, he sounded like a man inclined to seek six more years in the Senate.

"Over the years, I have accomplished a lot for Idaho, and I hope Idahoans will allow me to continue to do that," he said.

Still, there already was speculation about a successor in the reliably Republican state. The Club for Growth, an anti-tax organization, issued a statement critical of Rep. Mike Simpson, whose name has been mentioned as a potential replacement candidate.

Regardless of Craig's plans, it was clear his political standing had suffered.

On Monday, he resigned from a prominent role with Republican Mitt Romney's presidential campaign, and the GOP White House hopeful was critical in an interview.

"He's disappointed the American people," Romney said on CNBC's "Kudlow & Company."

"Yeah, I think it reminds us of Mark Foley and Bill Clinton," he added. Foley was a a Florida congressman who sent salacious e-mails to underage male House pages. Clinton, the former president, was impeached by the House and acquitted in the Senate after his dalliance with a White House intern.

Craig, 62, has faced rumors about his sexuality since the 1980s, but allegations that he had engaged in gay sex have never been substantiated. He has denied the assertions.

Trying to put his actions "in context," Craig lashed out at the Idaho Statesman, the state's largest newspaper, accusing it of a witchhunt on the issue.

In their statement, the GOP Senate leaders did not say what other actions they were considering in connection with Craig.

Separately, a private group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, filed a complaint with the ethics committee seeking an investigation into whether Craig violated Senate rules by engaging in disorderly conduct.

The official police complaint on Craig's case was detailed.

It said airport police Sgt. Dave Karsnia, who was investigating allegations of sexual conduct in airport restrooms, went into a stall shortly after noon on June 11 and closed the door.

Minutes later, the officer said he saw Craig gazing into his stall through the crack between the door and the frame.

After a man in the adjacent stall left, Craig entered it and put his roller bag against the front of the stall door, "which Sgt. Karsnia's experience has indicated is used to attempt to conceal sexual conduct by blocking the view from the front of the stall," said the complaint, which was dated June 25.

The complaint said Craig then tapped his right foot several times and moved it closer to Karsnia's stall and then moved it to where it touched Karsnia's foot. Karsnia recognized that "as a signal often used by persons communicating a desire to engage in sexual conduct," the complaint said.

Craig then passed his left hand under the stall divider into Karsnia's stall with his palm up and guided it along the divider toward the front of the stall three times, the complaint said.

The officer then showed his police identification under the divider and pointed toward the exit "at which time the defendant exclaimed `No!'" the complaint said.

The Aug. 8 police report says Craig handed the arresting officer a business card that identified him as a member of the Senate.

"What do you think about that?" Craig is alleged to have said, according to the report.

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Associated Press writers Steve Karnowski in Minneapolis, Matthew Daly and David Espo in Washington and John Miller in Boise contributed to this story.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, he obviously is. Think the government needs to move with the times and stop these

ethics committee review

Does it affect his job being gay? It's OK for politicians to accept back handers, embark on illegal wars, brown nose big business, send soldiers to their deaths wrongly or engage in nepotism. But as soon as they have affairs, or might actually be gay, they are fired or their judgement is called into question. Fundamentalist religion has a lot to answer for.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't care that he is gay. Just the hypocricy of it all. Watch him still come out against gay rights.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always enjoyable watching huge public hypocrites being taken down. Haggard as well, etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seriously... is anyone surprised when Repub lawmakers get caught in gay sex scandals anymore? Anyone? At all?

Its gotten t the point that when I see one of these guys moralizing on television I automaticall think of what kind of sexual perversion they're secretly into, whether they like to give, recieve, or just watch while they pleasure themselves. Or whether thier into bears, gym queens ot twinks. Whether theyre into bondage and like it rough, or just wanna snuggle.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:
Seriously... is anyone surprised when Repub lawmakers get caught in gay sex scandals anymore? Anyone? At all?

Its gotten t the point that when I see one of these guys moralizing on television I automaticall think of what kind of sexual perversion they're secretly into, whether they like to give, recieve, or just watch while they pleasure themselves. Or whether thier into bears, gym queens ot twinks. Whether theyre into bondage and like it rough, or just wanna snuggle.

Yup.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He'll just say that he found Jesus like Mike Vick and all will be forgiven. I have sinned, praise the Lord, now I'm healed and I don't want to watch the Korean Sunkist commercials anymore.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig's record on Gay rights
Voted Yes on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (June 2006)

Voted No on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (June 2002)

Voted No on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (June 2000)

Voted Yes on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (September 1996)

Voted No on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (September 1996)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe him.

He's not gay. He's a straight man who likes to have sex with other men in bathrooms.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's really an affront to conservatives when homosexuals pretend to be Republicans to cover for their internal psychological and moral conflicts.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's really an affront to conservatives when homosexuals pretend to be Republicans to cover for their internal psychological and moral conflicts.


How was the guy pretending to be a Republican?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony_Balony wrote:
It's really an affront to conservatives when homosexuals pretend to be Republicans to cover for their internal psychological and moral conflicts.


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Comments like these keep me entertained in the Current Events Forum...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, what really is the situation here? Was/is he really a conservative Republican or a repressed Gay man?

I don't think you can actually say. No sarcasm here, I'm sincere. Deep down inside, what label can you put on this man?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Deep down inside, what label can you put on this man?


He was a gay man who joined the Republican Party, stood successfully for office, and amassed a generally conservative voting record. That makes him a gay, conservtive Republican.

Quote:
It's really an affront to conservatives when homosexuals pretend to be Republicans to cover for their internal psychological and moral conflicts.


I think what I found amusing about your comments here was the suggestion that the GOP is somehow being victimized by closeted homosexuals who join the party and go to Washington. Whereas, in fact, the people who actually run the GOP almost certainly don't give a rat's ass if every single gay-bashing, scripture-spewing Congressman is being sucked off by 500-dollar-an-hour rent boys while listening to Bette Midler tunes in a bathhouse somewhere.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More info....

Gays scornful of senator's statement

By DAVID CRARY, AP National Writer 32 minutes ago

NEW YORK - [b]Sen. Larry Craig's "I'm not gay" declaration met with disdain Wednesday from gay activists, many of whom knew for nearly a year � long before his recent arrest � of allegations that the conservative Idaho Republican solicited sex from men in public bathrooms.


They view his case as a prime example of hypocrisy � a man who furtively engaged in same-sex liaisons while consistently opposing gay-rights measures as a politician.


"He may very well not think of himself as being gay, and these are just urges that he has," said Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. "It's the tragedy of homophobia. People create these walls that separate themselves from who they really are."

In Washington, some of Craig's fellow Republican congressmen began calling for his resignation, as did the Log Cabin Republicans, the largest gay GOP group. The White House expressed disappointment in the case while avoiding a statement of support for Craig.

Craig proclaimed his innocence, and his heterosexuality, on Tuesday after revelations that he pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct following his arrest in June at a Minneapolis airport men's room where an undercover officer suspected him of soliciting sex.

But detailed accusations against Craig had been available since last year through an Internet-based activist who had a hand in outing several Republican politicians, including former Rep. Mark Foley, the focus of a House page scandal, and former Rep. Edward Schrock, linked to a gay dating site.

The activist, Mike Rogers, went public last October with allegations that Craig engaged in sexual encounters with at least three men, including one who said he had sex with Craig twice at Washington's Union Station.


The Idaho Statesman published a lengthy story Tuesday, a day after the June 11 arrest was first reported, detailing Rogers' allegations, which Craig has denied.

The newspaper went even further back into Craig's life, talking to other men who claimed they were solicited by him. It also mentioned a congressional scandal in 1982, in which a male page reported having sex with three congressmen, and Craig � although not named by the youth � issued a statement denying any wrongdoing.

The cumulative weight of the allegations served to convince many conservatives � as well as gay activists � that Craig was being untruthful.


"I ask Senator Craig to help us all by doing the right thing: Fess up to God and man, step aside and seek help," said the Rev. Rob Schenck, president of a conservative religious group, Faith and Action.

Democratic Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, one of two openly gay members of Congress, chided Craig for hypocrisy but said there was no need for him to resign now.

"It's not an abuse of his office in the sense that he was taking money for corrupt votes," said Frank, D-Mass. "I think people should resign when they have clearly done the job in a way that is dishonest."[/b]

Rogers noted that some politicians, when confronted with evidence about same-sex encounters, have acknowledged their homosexuality � such as Frank and the late Rep. Gerry Studds, D-Mass. Others persist in denial, and Rogers contends they are fair game for exposure if they vote against gay-rights causes.

"I'd love for Larry Craig to come out and be honest with the people of Idaho and run as a Senate candidate and see if the Republican Party is the big tent they claim to be," Rogers said. However, he predicted that the Idaho GOP would be eager to get Craig � who is up for re-election in 2008 � out of politics.

Foreman said Craig contributed to his own problems by living in denial.

"For most people living in the closet, and particularly for people in power, they dig themselves in so deeply they can't see a way out," he said. "When they are found out, their life does come crashing down around them � not because they were gay, because of the way they covered it up."

However, Foreman did express some empathy with Craig in regard to the reaction of his GOP Senate colleagues. They have called for an ethics committee review of his case, which they did not do in response to revelations that Sen. David Vitter, R-La., was on the contact list of a Washington-area escort service.

"The double standard is shocking," Foreman said. "We'll throw the closet queer under the bus, but if you see a female prostitute, that's just fine."

The Craig case also raised questions about the phenomenon of male sex in public restrooms � how prevalent is it, and who participates?

The issue has been a source of controversy this summer in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., where Mayor Jim Naugle has drawn fire from gay-rights groups for suggesting that such bathroom sex is a significant problem and briefly proposing installation of automated, single-user toilets.

After reports of Craig's arrest, police officials around the country gave widely varying accounts of whether public bathroom sex was a serious problem in their areas.

"My sense is that most of the people who engage in bathroom sex are living closeted lives," Foreman said. "If you're open, you can hook up on line, in a bar or even through your church."

William Leap, an anthropology professor at American University, said his research indicated that up to half of those who engage in male bathroom sex would consider themselves heterosexual.

"You've got several groups of folks," he said. "Happily married men with children who enjoy having sex with men every so often, and also self-identified gay men who enjoy the thrill of anonymous sex."

He suggested that almost every sizable community nationwide has one or more places where men seek out sex with other men. Whether that location becomes notorious, and the setting for arrests, Leap said, depends largely on whether the men using it create a disturbance that bothers others.

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Associated Press writer Andrew Miga in Washington contributed to this report.
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